[TheForge] chinese ASOs
Rob Fertner
[email protected]
Fri Mar 28 18:28:00 2003
I seem to recall a few years back, someone suggesting nickel brazing in a
vacuum furnance to reface an anvil. I wonder if it's ever been tried?
Rob
cool and windy in Wichita, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: "lama" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] chinese ASOs
> That Frosty is a pretty smart dude, but I never heard of brazing a
hardface
> to an anvil.
> The wrought ones were forge welded on. I have heard of using electric
"plug
> welds"
> through the hard face plate then an "edge weld" around the whole hard face
> to attach
> it to an anvil body. That might work well with a cast iron anvil body and
a
> hard face plate.
> dave m
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Tull" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] chinese ASOs
>
>
> > Seems to me ( whadaino ), the heat required to effect change would
> un-braze
> > the
> > steel plate.?
> > dan tull
> > georgia
> > abba, afc, S.C. psba, obg,sofa
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry Frost" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] chinese ASOs
> >
> >
> > > Basically anvils are such a large mass of metal they can't be heat
> treated
> > > like say a blade, hammer head, etc. Typically the anvil would be taken
> > from
> > > the forge / furnace and partially quenched, letting the residual heat
> from
> > > the body soak(?) back out and temper the face.
> > >
> > > There were a couple "traditional" ways to quench/temper anvils that I
> know
> > > of. Probably the most common was to suspend the hot anvil upside down
in
> a
> > > large pond, creek, etc. The other way I know of was to direct a
measured
> > > amount of water over a measured amount of time onto the face of the
> anvil.
> > >
> > > From what I've been told the second method is how Sodorfors heat
treated
> > > their anvils. They had large water tanks with orifices sized for
> specific
> > > weights of anvils. The tanks were filled to a mark for a given anvil
> > weight
> > > and the valve opened. When the tank ran dry the anvil was quenched and
> > > tempered.
> > >
> > > Frosty
> > > ------------------------
> > > If it ain't forged
> > > it ain't real.
> > > Wrought iron is.
> > > The FrostWorks
> > >
> > > Meadow Lakes, AK.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dan Tull" <[email protected]>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [TheForge] chinese ASOs
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jerry,
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand the quench/ temper part.??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > dan tull
> > > > georgia
> > > > abba, afc, S.C. psba, obg,sofa
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jerry Frost" <[email protected]>
> > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [TheForge] chinese ASOs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Something I've contemplated and will try one of these days is
> putting
> > a
> > > > > steel face on a cast iron chinese junk anvil.
> > > > >
> > > > > It shouldn't be too hard to do:
> > > > >
> > > > > Grind the existing face smooth and make a matching steel plate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Build a heavy steel stand to hold the anvil upside down a foot or
so
> > off
> > > > the
> > > > > ground.
> > > > >
> > > > > Put the steel plate on the stand, flux it, lay either brazing rod
or
> a
> > > > thin
> > > > > sheet of brass on it, flux it and lay the anvil upside down on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > True it all up and build a big fire under and around it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Watch closely when it starts hitting bright red. When you see
brass
> > > > running
> > > > > out of the joint rake the fire away and extinguish.
> > > > >
> > > > > After the braze is cool enough to hold, flip the anvil over and
> start
> > > the
> > > > > quench/temper.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a thought anyway. <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Frosty
> > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > If it ain't forged
> > > > > it ain't real.
> > > > > Wrought iron is.
> > > > > The FrostWorks
> > > > >
> > > > > Meadow Lakes, AK.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Phlip" <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:04 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Power hammer questions
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ene bichizh ogsen baina shuu...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The 55 LB H.F. ASOs that I have seen are porous and they do
not
> > have
> > > > the
> > > > > > > necessary tool steel plate that a good cast anvil has.
> > > > > > > Darrell
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A friend of mine just dropped off a 55 lb HF cast steel, and it
> > looks
> > > > OK.
> > > > > > I'll likely hafta work on the horn to round it more- it's pretty
> > flat-
> > > > but
> > > > > > it looks like it will be ideal for my purposes, which is to
> basicly
> > > have
> > > > > > small, light anvils I can take with me to SCA events, and let
them
> > > have
> > > > > > something to pound on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Think I'll likely buy a couple.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phlip
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is probably
> not
> > a
> > > > > > cat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Never a horse that cain't be rode,
> > > > > > And never a rider who cain't be throwed....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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