[TheForge] Melted Flares & Refractory Liner

Mon Mar 10 21:30:00 2003

Strange and weird. At least it is in the useful direction. Sounds like a 
useful secret to figure out, if you can find what makes the burners so hot.

Steve

Ed F wrote:
> I have tried both Jay's mild steel and ss flares.  The ss flares lasted
> longer last time but I also set them back behind the castible liner into the
> ceramic fiber insulation.  The first time I had the mild steel ones and they
> extended into the liner, about 1/4" recessed.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Smith" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Melted Flares & Refractory Liner
> 
> 
> 
>>Pretty impressive, Ed. Are your flares stainless?
>>
>>Steve Smith
>>
>>Ed F wrote:
>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>I'm running the awesome robust reliable cheap burners Jay Hayes sells.
>>>Problem is I keep melting the flares.  I replace them after 200 hours or
>>
> so.
> 
>>>Yah, I think she gets hot enough, thank you.  But I think the flare
>>>deterioration has a lot to do with the 1 1/2" castible refractory liner
>>
> I
> 
>>>have (backed by 3" ceramic fiber).  I have about 1/4" clearance all
>>
> around
> 
>>>the flare to the refractory.
>>>
>>>Jay suggested I wrap the flares in ceramic fiber, extending 1/4" beyond
>>
> the
> 
>>>flare end, to protect them from the heat of the castible refractory
>>
> liner.
> 
>>>Not to take away from his advise at all, I'm curious what others are
>>
> doing.
> 
>>>I haven't heard of others having this problem.  I know several people
>>
> here
> 
>>>have a refractory liners inside the ceramic fiber insulation.
>>>
>>>By the way, I'm sorry to sound so promotional about Jay's stuff, but I
>>
> feel
> 
>>>sorry for people who read Ron Reil's site and don't find anything about
>>
> what
> 
>>>Jay offers.  Everything Jay sells is cheap - supplies and parts made for
>>
> us.
> 
>>>He does big time commercial work in the glass industry so he has all the
>>>stuff we use and buys in quantity.  And his flares kick ass because they
>>
> are
> 
>>>machined not pressed.  I tried the pressed ones, too.  His burners are
>>>simple and like I said they get damn hot, and that's hot enough.  I was
>>>heating 2 feet of (3) 1 1/4" square bars simultaneously on the last job
>>
> with
> 
>>>no problem, and that was with obliterated flares.
>>>
>>>I don't make money promoting Jay's stuff, nor do I think he makes any
>>
> money
> 
>>>selling it.  He's spent more time helping me than I can ever make up for
>>>buying cheap supplies.
>>>
>>>Here is a link to his site: http://home.earthlink.net/~xmas4lites/
>>>
>>>The picture of him shown was taken a while ago.  At that time he was
>>
> quite
> 
>>>good looking.  However, since then he has required a cranial enlargement
>>>operation to accomodate his ever expanding brain.  OK I'm kidding but if
>>
> you
> 
>>>talk to him about combustion you'll know what I mean.  Jay is the real
>>
> deal.
> 
>>>If you want to play with "magic" go elsewhere.  If you want practically
>>>engineered stuff from a real blacksmith, talk to Jay!  He's the guy you
>>>hated in school because he aced all the math exams and ran circles
>>
> around
> 
>>>you in shop class.
>>>
>>>Yours,
>>>
>>>Ed
>>>
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