[TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set

Sun Dec 21 04:54:00 2003

Searching  on Google for  "Allstates  Oxy Propane"  one of the things that 
I found was a  Ron Reil page.
The photo of his Allstates Torch Stand looked interesting also.
http://www.reil1.net/cart.jpg  His page stated that he got the idea from 
conference: ...." This image is of a mobile torch cart I built for my 
All-States oxy/propane torch. The torch has a pilot flame, and when using 
it I like to have a safe and convenient place for the torch when I need to 
put it down. I observed this torch cart design at the NWBA Spring 
Conference in Sisters, Oregon, at Ponderosa Forge. I thought it was such an 
exceptional design that I had to make one for my shop. I also made a tool 
tray/table that goes in place of the torch cradle when I am not using it. 
That way I can use this nifty little cart all the time, instead of just for 
the torch."

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Ron's web page goes on to give the dimensions of the cart.
http://www.reil1.net/Forge1.shtml#Torch
Dann Johnson

At 09:44 PM 12/20/2003, you wrote:
>     Frosty, Sounds like you really like this unit.  I've never realized
>there was a difference between a Henrob and an Allstates torch.  I've seen
>the Henrob and wasn't all that impressed, but if you can cut sheet, cut
>plate and machine after, and do localized heat on 1" stock with this
>Allstates torch, then it is worth considering for sure.
>         You mentioned a high price on initial purchase in your first post,
>how much was the initial cost of this torch?  A nice Victor combo torch is
>in the $475-525 range.......and like you say, those do eat the gases.
>
>Ralph
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jerry Frost" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set
>
>
> > One last thing.
> >
> > The conversion tips and multi-fuel torches suck big time running propane.
> > They're just not designed for it, they'll eat oxy at least twice as fast
>as
> > the same torch running acet and at least four times as fast as the All
> > States torch. I know, I've used them and paid the bills. $$$
> >
> > The lowest you can reasonably set an acet regulator is around 2+/- lb.
>When
> > I'm piercing 4-5" the All States is running around 7 oz. of propane.
> >
> > I only have an 0 cutting tip and just by changing the regulator setting
>(you
> > only set the oxy, the propane is metered from a sealed regulator) I can
>cut
> > 20 gage without warping it or crank up the psi and pierce 4-5" of steel.
> >
> > Another thing oxy prop lets you do acet won't is machining a torch cut.
> > Propane doesn't add carbon to the steel so I can pierce, let it cool and
> > chase it out with a HS drill bit or torch off a chunk of rnd, chuck it in
>my
> > lathe and face it off with a HS cutter. I'm speaking of mild steel of
> > course.
> >
> > The slag is also low carbon, very low and almost always cleans off with a
> > quick scrape on a table edge, etc. I almost never have to grind slag off.
> >
> > One of the techniques you use with the All States cutting torch is rolling
> > the tip. The oxy jet will cut cleanly up to 9" from the tip so for cuts
> > shorter than say 10-12" you hold the torch in one place and roll it in
>your
> > hands to direct the oxy jet across your cut.
> >
> > After a little practice you'll find yourself cranking the pressure high
>and
> > going really fast. I can make a nice, straight clean cut in a piece of
>1/2"
> > x 12" in maybe 2-3 seconds, tops.
> >
> > There's no need for a fuel saver as it has a thumb valve on the body, set
>it
> > once for a job and light it when needed. You can get an auto-light (or
> > could) so you don't have to mess with a striker but I just clip my trickle
> > charger to the torch and ground it on the table. Flick the thumb valve and
> > brush the tip on the table . . .POW it's going, properly adjusted and
>ready
> > for action.
> >
> > The "rosebud" or "Heater" (All States name for it) is smaller than the end
> > of my middle finger and will melt 1 cu/in of steel in under 11 seconds.
> >
> > If you think you may want to use oxy acet, get a second rig. Don't
> > compromise with a conversion or multi-fuel, they don't cut it.
> >
> > Frosty
> > ------------------------
> > If it ain't forged
> > it ain't real.
> > Wrought iron is.
> > The FrostWorks
> >
> > Meadow Lakes, AK.
> >
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