It's generally translated as "Don't let the bastards grind you down." David Hufford Richmond KY USA -----Original Message----- From: Dann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Chain fall chain Mike, What does this mean "Illegitimi non carborundum" something like = 'don't=20 burn the bastard ' ???? Dann Johnson