[TheForge] Pointless complaining

Tue Nov 5 11:25:05 2002

Do you have a link for elfwood so we can view it and get an idea of the
content, or is it only accessible to members?
-Kirsten
www.kokametalsmiths.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marthanis" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: [TheForge] Pointless complaining


> I think a site for the showing of the art of artisans and the like would
> be great. I have thought about it a few times myself. Something like
> Elfwood for blacksmiths. If you are not familiar with elfwood, what it
> boils down to is the site hosts pictures of art by amateur artist. Each
> artist has there own section where they posts there pictures and a
> biography page. For each picture the artist can put in his/her comments
> above and others can post there thoughts and opinions underneath. Really
> great for critical feedback. I work for an ISP and can take care of the
> hosting for it but do not have much time for the actual creation of the
> page, but I might be able to if people are interested. If you are let me
> know here or through private email at [email protected]
>
> Chad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Freeman
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:29 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Pointless complaining
>
> Hmm, maybe we could form some teams here.  Or a mutual assistance
> society.  Post photos of your art object and solicit "interpretations".
>
> Bruce
> NJ
>
> >>> [email protected] 11/04/02 11:53AM >>>
> I wish somebody would teach me how to write like that...
> -Kirsten
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marthanis" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Pointless complaining
>
>
> > A lot of art is not about what is pleasing to the eye but instead is
> > about expression of ones feelings and opinions. And people really seem
> > to like this. You can take some junk, pile it up and glue it together,
> > then right a 10 page report on how and why and sell it for a lot of
> > money. I had to write a report for one of my art classes in college a
> > while back and the artist I wrote it on made very simple paintings
> that
> > didn't sell well at all. Then he started writing essays and papers to
> go
> > with his painting explaining why painted them in this way and that.
> > Sometimes he would have up to 30 pages on one painting which most just
> > consisted of rambling and really had nothing to do with the painting
> > itself. When he started doing this his painting started selling very
> > well and is now a very popular and respected big named artist. I
> > unfortunately cannot recall his name as I suck with names and it has
> > been over 2 years since I did the report. But this is just an example
> of
> > how you can make a lot of money in the art industry with just a little
> > bit of bs behind you.
> >
> > Chad
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Freeman
> > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:27 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Pointless complaining
> >
> > Well, with all due respect to the great number of true artists (in any
> > medium) out there, I have to submit that it's my impression that the
> > "art world" is so full of BS-ers that they couldn't dig their way out
> > with a coal-fields "steam" shovel.
> >
> > A few years back, my mother sent me a subscription to an artsy metal
> > arts (jewerly and related crafts) magazine, that shall remain nameless
> > here.  A lot of the artwork portrayed in it was really excellent.  A
> lot
> > was of excellent craftsmanship, but of questionable (by me) decorative
> > value.  (Which means I thought it sucked, but maybe somebody out there
> > liked it.)  Then there was the rest.
> >
> > The extreme example of the rest was a few geometrical-shaped objects
> > made of pre-painted sheet metal, and pop-riveted together.  A
> cylinder,
> > a cube, that sort of thing.  The craftmanship was poor.  There was no
> > attempt to blend in or disguise the pop rivets.  These things looked
> > like rejects from appretice tinsmithing lesson.  However, there was a
> > half-page of text which clarified why they were included in an
> otherwise
> > halfway decent magazine.  The female "artist" went on and on about how
> > these objects were parodies (or some such interpretation) of the
> > masculine arts, blahdy, blahdy, blahdy....  Really sucked.  Women
> should
> > have pilloried this "artist".
> >
> > Anyway, it seems to me that if you want to make it with the artsy
> fartsy
> > types, you'll have to learn the true art of artsy fartsy bullshitting!
> >
> > Bruce
> > NJ
> >
> > >>> [email protected] 10/31/02 06:34PM >>>
> > Why is it that, when calling fine art galleries to make appointments
> to
> > show my work, if I say I am a blacksmith that does sculpture, I can't
> > even get an appointment most of the time.  If, however, I say I am a
> > sculptor who works in steel, I'm welcomed with open arms and told how
> > hard it is to find sculptors who work in metal these days.  I don't
> > really expect an answer, it just fries me that "blacksmithing" is
> still
> > considered a craft rather than an artform, yet if I change what I call
> > myself, then it's well recieved.  Just isn't right.
> >
> > Bob Evarts
> > Forging a good life from the raw material of time
> >
> >
> >
> >
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