[TheForge] Pointless complaining

Tue Nov 5 08:44:00 2002

I think a site for the showing of the art of artisans and the like would
be great. I have thought about it a few times myself. Something like
Elfwood for blacksmiths. If you are not familiar with elfwood, what it
boils down to is the site hosts pictures of art by amateur artist. Each
artist has there own section where they posts there pictures and a
biography page. For each picture the artist can put in his/her comments
above and others can post there thoughts and opinions underneath. Really
great for critical feedback. I work for an ISP and can take care of the
hosting for it but do not have much time for the actual creation of the
page, but I might be able to if people are interested. If you are let me
know here or through private email at [email protected]

Chad

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Freeman
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Pointless complaining

Hmm, maybe we could form some teams here.  Or a mutual assistance
society.  Post photos of your art object and solicit "interpretations".

Bruce
NJ

>>> [email protected] 11/04/02 11:53AM >>>
I wish somebody would teach me how to write like that...
-Kirsten
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marthanis" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: [TheForge] Pointless complaining

> A lot of art is not about what is pleasing to the eye but instead is
> about expression of ones feelings and opinions. And people really seem
> to like this. You can take some junk, pile it up and glue it together,
> then right a 10 page report on how and why and sell it for a lot of
> money. I had to write a report for one of my art classes in college a
> while back and the artist I wrote it on made very simple paintings
that
> didn't sell well at all. Then he started writing essays and papers to
go
> with his painting explaining why painted them in this way and that.
> Sometimes he would have up to 30 pages on one painting which most just
> consisted of rambling and really had nothing to do with the painting
> itself. When he started doing this his painting started selling very
> well and is now a very popular and respected big named artist. I
> unfortunately cannot recall his name as I suck with names and it has
> been over 2 years since I did the report. But this is just an example
of
> how you can make a lot of money in the art industry with just a little
> bit of bs behind you.
> 
> Chad
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:27 AM
> To: [email protected] 
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Pointless complaining
> 
> Well, with all due respect to the great number of true artists (in any
> medium) out there, I have to submit that it's my impression that the
> "art world" is so full of BS-ers that they couldn't dig their way out
> with a coal-fields "steam" shovel.
> 
> A few years back, my mother sent me a subscription to an artsy metal
> arts (jewerly and related crafts) magazine, that shall remain nameless
> here.  A lot of the artwork portrayed in it was really excellent.  A
lot
> was of excellent craftsmanship, but of questionable (by me) decorative
> value.  (Which means I thought it sucked, but maybe somebody out there
> liked it.)  Then there was the rest.
> 
> The extreme example of the rest was a few geometrical-shaped objects
> made of pre-painted sheet metal, and pop-riveted together.  A
cylinder,
> a cube, that sort of thing.  The craftmanship was poor.  There was no
> attempt to blend in or disguise the pop rivets.  These things looked
> like rejects from appretice tinsmithing lesson.  However, there was a
> half-page of text which clarified why they were included in an
otherwise
> halfway decent magazine.  The female "artist" went on and on about how
> these objects were parodies (or some such interpretation) of the
> masculine arts, blahdy, blahdy, blahdy....  Really sucked.  Women
should
> have pilloried this "artist".  
> 
> Anyway, it seems to me that if you want to make it with the artsy
fartsy
> types, you'll have to learn the true art of artsy fartsy bullshitting!
> 
> Bruce
> NJ
> 
> >>> [email protected] 10/31/02 06:34PM >>>
> Why is it that, when calling fine art galleries to make appointments
to
> show my work, if I say I am a blacksmith that does sculpture, I can't
> even get an appointment most of the time.  If, however, I say I am a
> sculptor who works in steel, I'm welcomed with open arms and told how
> hard it is to find sculptors who work in metal these days.  I don't
> really expect an answer, it just fries me that "blacksmithing" is
still
> considered a craft rather than an artform, yet if I change what I call
> myself, then it's well recieved.  Just isn't right.
> 
> Bob Evarts
> Forging a good life from the raw material of time
> 
> 
> 
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