[TheForge] Mastermyr II List of Items Update 2

Phlip [email protected]
Fri Jun 21 15:21:01 2002 

OK, thanks, Bill. I'm sure I could make it out of anything, if I weren't
concerned about doing it in this lifetime ;-), but since the sizes you
worked out looked so good, I figured that asking you wasn't going to hurt
anything ;-) I may yet tweak things a bit, but as my "power hammer" is my
right arm, starting with pieces that are fairly close will help.

Phlip




----- Original Message -----
From: "April & Bill Clemens" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Mastermyr II List of Items Update 2


> Phlip,
>
> 1.  The frame was made from 4 pieces of  2" x 1/4"
>
> 2 - 17 3/4" long with cutouts on each end leaving a 1 1/2" long 3/4"
> wide piece to form the hooks with the remaining 14 3/4" forged to 2" x
> 3/16" x 19 5/8"  and bent in the center to form the angle.  Hooks were
> forged before bending to form the angle
>
> 2 - 14" long  forged to 2" x 3/16" x 19 1/4"
>
> 2.  Top Plate was made from one piece of  2" x 1/4"  4 1/2" long
>
> Split each end in 1 1/2"  along center line. Heat and fold along center
> line.  With fold up, forge ends down in and arc from inner edge of cut
> on each end.  Unfold piece.  Use ~1 1/2" round bar to form smooth curve
> between legs on each end. Forge each leg down to 1/4" round with short
> taper on end to ~ 1/8" round on end(bend other leg 90 deg).  Form hook.
>
> 3. Grill Strips  10 pieces of 3/4" x 1/4"  12" long
>
> Forge out to 3/16" x 5/8"  x 19"   with  rounded ends.
>
>
> Chains  16 random length pieces 5" to 8" long
>
> Forge small scarf on end form eye around 1/2" bar (I used 1/2" drift.
> Taper allows reshaping eye after weld). Keep track of starting length
> and finished length.  You'll need this to determine length of 4th link
> in each chain to make chain 16 1/2" long.
> Weld on end of horn. Gentle hammering to not distort eye or thin neck at
> weld.  Repeat on other end.  Now form eye on next piece.  Before welding
> , heat and open eye to insert eye from previously formed piece.  When
> heating to weld found that best position for  previously formed link was
> nearly vertical.  When at welding heat remove and if links are stuck
> together, gently try to break them apart without moving link to be
> welded.  If you  do bend scarf away from other side of link to be
> welded, don't try to weld.  (It never worked for me at least.)  Before
> reheating, quench previous link to prevent over heating and sticking. To
> reshape new link joined to previous link, I used a 1/2 round chisel that
> I dulled the edge of.  You could form a 1/2 round drift from flattened
> end of 3/8" stock around a piece of 1/4" stock.  Slip around previous
> link to shape new eye over pritchel hole. After 3 links are formed,
> determine length required for 4th link.  Don't forget that link will be
> inside eye of existing chain, so finished length required is 1/2" longer
> that 16 1/2" - length of 3 link chain.
>
>
> 4. Hook
>
> Used 3/4" x 1/4" stock.  I'll have to look for dimensions I used.
>
>
> Hope this helps.  I'll clean up some of my sketches, particularly for
> the top plate and post them.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> April & Bill Clemens wrote:
>
>  > Phlip,
>  >
>  > Just 3 sizes of stock:
>  >
>  > 2" x 1/4"  for the frame and top plate
>  > 3/4" x 1/4" for the grill strips and top hook
>  > 1/4" round for the chains, swivel eye and rivets
>  >
>  > actual thickness for the frame and grill strips was ~ 3/16" so had to
>  > forge the 2 x 1/4 and 3/4 x 1/4 down also strips were only ~ 5/8" wide
>  >
>  > I'll send more details later today.
>  >
>  > Bill
>  >
>  > Phlip wrote:
>  >
>  >> Been looking over your past posts on the grill, starting to plan
things.
>  >> What sizes of stock did you use? As you said, the ,45 cm looked
>  >> totally off,
>  >> and the other sizes look a bit suspect. OTOH, your grill, or the pix
>  >> i've
>  >> seen, look proportionally right on. Starting to make a shopping
>  >> list.....
>  >>
>  >> Phlip
>  >>
>  >> ----- Original Message -----
>  >> From: "April & Bill Clemens" <[email protected]>
>  >> To: <[email protected]>
>  >> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:32 PM
>  >> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Mastermyr II List of Items Update 2
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> Phlip,
>  >>>
>  >>> And I'm thinking about the pancakes you can make with that griddle
and
>  >>> spatula
>  >>>
>  >>> Bill
>  >>>
>  >>> Phlip wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>  >>>> From: "April & Bill Clemens" <[email protected]>
>  >>>> To: <[email protected]>
>  >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:18 PM
>  >>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Mastermyr II List of Items Update 2
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>> Phlip,
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> The catalog on the mastermyr website gives the basic dimensions:
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> "Griddle with rim of sheet-iron  Pls. 6 and 24:18
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Round disc with up-turned rim and an irregular triangular hole in
the
>  >>>>> middle. It is incomplete: more than a third of the rim and a
>  >>>>> portion of
>  >>>>> the bottom are missing. Part of the rim has been secondarily bent
>  >>>>> inwards. The griddle was repaired in antiquity with a triangular
>  >>>>> patch,
>  >>>>> riveted on with at least ten rivets. The patch is now partly
>  >>>>> detached.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Diameter 22.3 cm; thickness of plate 0.3-0.4 cm."
>  >>>>>
>  >>>> OK, that makes it both smaller than I was thinking, and thicker- I
was
>  >>>> guesstimating about 14 guage steel, but it appears that I'll be
closer
>  >>>>
>  >> with
>  >>
>  >>>> maybe 10 guage- I'll check my guagemeter, in a bit. No wonder it
>  >>>>
>  >> survived-
>  >>
>  >>>> 3-4 mm is some heavy stuff! I used 11 g for my forge table, and it
>  >>>> took
>  >>>>
>  >> some
>  >>
>  >>>> work to shape and cut and drill and what not.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Anybody know if pure iron comes in plate? And, where the neaest
>  >>>> place is
>  >>>>
>  >> to
>  >>
>  >>>> get some? Going to need a fair amount for both these projects, and
the
>  >>>> Metalworking Symposium. Meantime, Rob is going to go see if the Navy
>  >>>>
>  >> might
>  >>
>  >>>> be throwing away any 10 inch mild steel disks, in say, the 3-4mm
>  >>>> range-
>  >>>>
>  >> I'll
>  >>
>  >>>> need a couple of practice pieces for sure.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Any sign of any deliberate holes in the thing for attachments, as
for
>  >>>> hanging, or are we looking at something set to rest on rocks over
the
>  >>>>
>  >> fire?
>  >>
>  >>>> And, the triangular hole in the center- any clue as to if it were
>  >>>> deliberate, for drainage, or simply a rusty spot, eating out from a
>  >>>>
>  >> smaller
>  >>
>  >>>> hole?
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Stiull thinking- but yes, Bill, I intend to do it.... also thinking
>  >>>> about
>  >>>> the spatula.....
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Phlip
>  >>>>
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