[TheForge] Flagstaff Minutes are on ABANA site

Mon Jul 8 20:04:00 2002

Attributing a motion made to the wrong person in the minutes, and catching the
mistake is called a correction.
If the $25,000 figure was discussed, and the minutes state the figure as $250,
changing it to reflect $25,000 is called a correction.

Leaving the figure out completely is easily called editing.

Why should ABANA have to explain the numbers?
Perhaps because they have an obligation to the membership to do so?
Okay, some of the membership couldn't care less, so they need no explanation.
But some of the membership certainly wants to know.

I'm not a member yet, but I sure would like to know the facts.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Walter L. Mullett
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Flagstaff Minutes are on ABANA site

Ted,

If the correspondence that George suggests was hidden from the board was in
fact the correspondence that was discussed by the board as shown in the
Flagstaff minutes, then it was not hidden.  The board was informed of the
correspondence, of the President's prerogative not to send it on to the
board and it seems the board had their fill of this stuff because they
agreed with the president and did not want to see this.  NOTHING HIDDEN!  No
lies!  ... just fed up!

Seems that the facts are clear.  They are in the minutes and nobody owes any
more information.

You again imply that something is missing about the $25,000 yet you also
agree that the number seems to have originated with George.  You suggest
that ABANA needs to explain the 25,000 savings vs 6,000 loss.  These numbers
have been tossed out by George and I still don't know where he gets this
information.

George has tried to involve Lou with his "unedited" minutes post (which when
put in that context is another attempt to smear the board).  I don't think
there is any such thing.  I'm sure Lou had his own notes but those are not
the official minutes.  I am also sure that Lou got a copy of the "Flagstaff
minutes" prior to the next board meeting, but until they are accepted by the
board, they are not official and any corrections made are CORRECTIONS - not
editing.

Why should ABANA have to explain the numbers- that ball is still in George's
lap?

And speaking personally, if the cost was $6,000 more .... for more pages,
... for more color, ... for on-time publications (something the same members
bitching now were bitching about prior to the change) ...and all done a year
later, then GREAT!  The board saved us money and gave us a better product.
(  This comment is not meant to reflect negatively on any of the previous
editors of the Ring or Blow.  I appreciated their service then and thank
them for it.  )

Walt

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Flagstaff Minutes are on ABANA site

>In a message dated 7/8/02 5:57:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>> Another problem? ---- Where did you get your information about the ABANA
>> president hiding    ( Your words Walt not mine)    , from the ABANA
board,
>> correspondence that came from George
>> ? ...from George?
>>
>>  Motion # 1 Walt  just after this it is said Lou discussed several pieces
>> of correspondence from George Dixon....this is where he claimed his
>> presidential perrogative to not send them to the Board. George has stated
>> emphatically that he sent them to the Board. If he is lying then you
should
>> try to prove it... not ask George to prove he is not beating his
>> wife.(right Dave)
>
>> Seems to be a substantiated fact Walt.
>
>>
>> And I did in fact look at the minutes... in a way you are right a
secretary
>> does not put down everything, however any important items such as
specifics
>> about a savings that is vauguely referred to in the minutes but not
>> specified for the membership, a statement meant to infer something to us
as
>> in "look we saved you money". So if the savings turned to a loss than
>> someone owes the membership an explanation... regardless if it 25000 or
>> 250.00 the real amount is unimportant. By the way 25000 came from George
>> and I have no other source... that does not mean that it is incorrect...
>>
> I will not fall to flaming you over this, I have every right in the world
to
>question what   is going on with ABANA as I pay my dues and our board asked
>to be elected they were not conscripted. And I did indeed look up my facts
>but if specifics are not given then a certain amount of inference will be
>drawn by all. You just prefer to infer that everything is hunky-dory...good
>for you, that is your way this is mine.
>
>>
>> Walt I admire the work of anyone who volunteers like this. I of course
>> thank the Board for their labors and I hope to someday be able to serve
>> ABANA and get my a** chewed on too!  But all of this could be cleared up
by
>> a statement of fact from the board showing what happened. If they screwed
>> up then they take their lumps and if they are right then they have
>> discredited George and they win twice. They at least owe the membership
an
>> explanation... they do work for us you know.
>>
>> And by the way way Walt I am absolutely not tired of those who try to
take
>> the board to task for their actions using theForge or other means. And I
am
>> also NOT tired of those who rise to their defense as you and Dave
have...we
>> just differ in opinion
>>
>>         Ted Jones
>
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