[TheForge] ABANA - long

Thu Jul 4 02:05:01 2002

At 11:43 PM 7/3/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Aaron, I think you may be reading more into Bill's words than is
>warranted.  In the forst staement he says he dod not SIGN FOR A BID.
>In the second he says he signed for a PACKAGE which he sis not open.
>This could be a simple misunderstanding or an imprecise use of language,
>which is common enough among people.  Or Bill may have had a very
>specific meaning is saying he did not sign for a bid, as in signing off
>ON a bid.  I don't know.  All I'm saying is the fact that I can read
>his words about three different ways right off the top of my head,
>including your way, shows that there is some imprecise communication
>occuring here.  Perhaps Bill would be willing to indulge us just a
>little bit further by latting us know his precise meaning.

I would be interested in knowing this also, for the same reason you cite... 
It is a person's reputation at stake here. I would say however that if 
we're getting to the point where someone is going to imply one thing and 
split hairs at a later point then I am not going to have much faith in that 
person's statements. It means that unless I nail his feet to the floor, ask 
the question in 15 different ways and get a signed agreement as to which 
dictionary and which meaning of each word that is used before I can believe 
that he answered the question I asked. Also, when Bill was asked the 
question in a rephrased manner he stated quite clearly that he DID 
understand the question, and was answering it. His manner did not leave me 
with the idea that there was any room for misunderstanding, and that he did 
not wish to discuss this further by being asked clarifications.

Now Bill has stated that he received a package, signed for it, didn't open 
it and gave it to the new President at the next meeting, which was the 
soonest possible time.

To me it doesn't look like Bill did anything wrong in doing that. My only 
problem was with the discrepancy between his emphatic statement a week ago 
and the statement yesterday which contradicted that.

Aaron

>I would warn all of us, myself included, from jumping to conclusions
>when the wording of a passage is not absolutely precise.  Yes, it takes
>a bit of careful analysis and consideration to determine whether there
>is more than one possible interpretation of a sentence. Given that
>the reputations of people are at stake, it is far preferable to err on
>the side of caution and mindful care than to cause harm to a man's good
>name through prematurely coming to conclusions.  This is just my
>opinion.
>
>As I mentioned before, I would be very surprised to find that Bill was
>playing fast and loose with the truth.  It would take far more evidence
>than what I have seen here for me to come to such an opinion.
>
>Best wishes to one and all.
>
>         -Andy
>
>Aaron Silver wrote:
> >
> > Well, I AM a member, and I've been passingly interested in this. I find it
> > interesting that a previous question posed to and responded by bill is
> > directly contradicted here:
> >
> > Wed Jun 26 18:22:00 2002
> >  > Darrell,
> >  > I fully understand the question.  I did not sign for a bid.  Bids or a
> >  > better word proposals were presented to the total ABANA Board for a 
> vote.
> >  > If you are a member of ABANA you can get a copy of the minutes of that
> >  > meeting and read for yourself.  This is about all I have to say on this
> >  > issue.  I am no longer on the ABANA Board and you should direct your
> >  > questions to  one of the present board members regarding this issue .
> >  > Bill
> >
> > Wed Jul 3 14:53:00 2002
> >  > >The only thing that I will reply to was the so called bid.  Yes I 
> received
> >  > >the package, signed for it and passed it along to Doug Learn.  I 
> did not
> >  > >even open the envelope.
> >  > >Bill
> >
> > Now this is a direct contradiction. I'm not a conspiracy theorist so I'm
> > going to assume that this is not part of a larger sinister plot to hide the
> > truth. I will say however that this is disturbing, and if this is how the
> > membership and the watching public has to drag information out (i.e.
> > provide proof that the previous statements are lies before the truth is
> > admitted) then I for one am not ready to dismiss any future statements
> > against the board out of hand.
> >
> > I understand Bill wasn't the President of the Board when the vote was taken
> > and claims to have not even opened the bid, however I must say my being
> > able to believe his statements at face value have gone down-hill with this
> > latest round of emails.
> >
> > Aaron Silver
> >
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