[TheForge] Wholesale copper

Tue Jan 15 00:24:01 2002

At 07:09 AM 1/14/02, you wrote:

What you say makes sense Mike, but,
I was piggybacking on a friends order...all told about 250#
and the outfit we were ordering from was a biggie that probably bought 
directly from the mill.
San Francisco is no small town and  the prices were similar  at the 4 big 
name outfits we called.
It was in fact, silicon bronze that we got, but the copper prices were similar.
Fortunately, since then, I was able to buy  3 , 4 X 8' X 1/4" sheets of 
some unidentified bronze from an ex shipyard  owner
for $200 and a bottle opener.  Works hot very nicely..won't move cold.
For raising and hollow-body stuff, I sure do like that silicon bronze.
When I asked my junkyard  to keep an eye out for silicon bronze and 
aluminum bronze....
they called  a month later ,and  said, we got it.  er, never mind 
specifying alloys at the junk yard.

>Not price fixing at all. You could
>probably figure out the number of middle
>men involved if you thought about it a
>bit. I do not by direct from a mill. I
>buy from a distirbuter who buys from the
>mill. I pay $195 cwt. + tax. I sell cut
>to size pieces for $5.00lb.+tax, with no
>cutting charge. The customer pays for
>the trim piece if it is not a usable
>size. With a shop rate of $75/hr with a
>$25 minimum this is a bargain.
>  If he then turns around and sell it I
>am certain the $8./lb price would look
>good.
>
>At $8.00 /lb I would suggest getting
>into a situation where you can order
>larger quantities and buy a little
>further up stream. Or developing a
>contact who already does.
>
>Mike Graf
>
>Peter Fels and Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> >
> > At 06:44 AM 1/13/02, you wrote:
> >
> > Those were SF Bay area prices  I found last summer...there were other
> > distributors who were higher.
> > Smells a lot like price fixing.
> >
> > >Pete;
> > >
> > >If you are paying $8 a lb then you are definitely getting screwed.
> > >Those are hardware store bin prices. Or art store prices.
> > >
> > >Buddy
> > >
> > >Peter Fels and Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> > >
> > > > At 12:09 PM 1/12/02, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So here Buddy  is paying a couple of bucks per pound,
> > > > And I've paid as much as $8/# for smaller amounts.
> > > > Why does that seem excessive?
> > > > Fellow smiths, I respectfully submit that we are being screwed.....No?
> > > > ......cranky Pete F
> > > >
> > > > >I just bought about 700 lbs (thickness doesn't affect price per lb)
> > > > >Shipped from
> > > > >Atlanta to me in South Louisiana was about $1.95 a lb with me picking
> > > it up at
> > > > >freight depot. Best I've been able to do locally was about $2.50. 
> (3 by 8
> > > > >sheets)
> > > > >
> > > > >Buddy
> > > > >
> > > > >Peter Fels and Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At 11:50 AM 1/11/02, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Say Matt;
> > > > > > The 42 oz sounds to have enough meat to work..I sure like the
> > > stuff..what
> > > > > > does a sheet cost?
> > > > > > Do you carry silicon bronze sheets too?
> > > > > > My last question is, what's the relationship between  the market
> > > price of
> > > > > > copper by the ton and your prices?
> > > > > > .........Thanks , Pete
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I work for Copper and Brass Sales...
> > > > > > >The number is 800 926 2600.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Ounce to guage is as follows:
> > > > > > >36 oz - .048
> > > > > > >32 oz - .0431
> > > > > > >24 oz - .0323
> > > > > > >20 oz - .0270
> > > > > > >16 oz - .0216
> > > > > > >12 oz - .0160
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I believe there is also a 40 or 42 ounce
> > > > > > >but I don't have the specs in front of me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >You may want to get a quote for an entire
> > > > > > >sheet (3' x 8' is a common size) to save on
> > > > > > >processing charges (assuming you need that
> > > > > > >much).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >- Matt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>From: "Miller, Ray (GEAE)" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > >>Reply-To: [email protected]
> > > > > > >>To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > >>Subject: RE: [TheForge] Wholesale copper
> > > > > > >>Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:45:41 -0500
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I think roofing copper is 16 oz. and they make flashing 
> copper that I
> > > > > > >>believe is 12 oz.
> > > > > > >>and that is weight per square foot.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Ray Miller
> > > > > > >>Cincinnati
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Buddy Holmes
> > > > >Prairieville, LA
> > > > >
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