[Spooks] NS schedules from ENIGMA2000

Mon Jul 21 12:43:57 EDT 2014

Flavio & Anthony,

I often bite my tongue when this topic occasionally rears its head. It's
not the first time. I once wished to become a member of a certain numbers
enthusiast group but was denied membership because I did not have much to
offer (wife just had a baby so I was taking care of both resulting in about
3 hours sleep a night!). After a few harsh words exchanged on both ends, I
realized that particular group was something I really didn't want to be a
part of.

I've been following numbers since the mid 80's and have even traveled to
some "historic" sites. While I may not be "active", I read this list and
UDXF *DAILY.*

There are other publications that provide just as much, if not more
information and entertainment. I say entertainment because that's really
what this is all about... Fun (not meeting some "quota").

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Anthony Spinelli <presentedin4d at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> Flavio,
>
> Bravo.
>
> The day and age we live in now - 2014 - isn't the Cold War, unlike some
> seem to wish to believe. In these times, on the INTERNET, we believe that
> the free flow of information is key to digital survival of hobbies -
> shortwave listening being one of them - and general livelihood.
>
> I can see no possible benefit in the redaction of this sort of
> information. Who are you helping, keeping schedules to yourselves? Are
> numbers stations made to be a club? In the grand scheme of things, who
> CARES about numbers stations so much as to keep all the information
> hush-hush?
>
> Everyone knows and praises Great Leader Enigma2000 for the supreme work he
> has done on the scene - and I don't deny that. But, sometimes, we need to
> let loose a little. This is 2014. This is the internet. If we want to keep
> everything secretive, silent, then might as well get our tin foil hats on
> and cover ourselves with a blanket in Mom's basement. If anything, keeping
> "our information ours" is very...childish? Why exist and claim to be for
> the benefit of others if that benefit is only given to those accepted into
> the club?
>
> Granted, I understand that "a lot of work goes into making these
> schedules." Good. Jonas Salk did a lot of good, hard work on the polio
> vaccine - that was released for free. So I don't see the excuse for people
> who love listening to numbers stations to have a good public eye for what
> people want. I have personally seen dozens of people join the numbers
> community. I tend to believe numbers station schedules are less difficult
> to make than a polio vaccine. The way I see it, everyone in this community
> needs to work together, rather slapping each other's knuckles just because
> of a couple numbers on the radio.
>
> If we keep everything so silent, then the shortwave community will die
> before the medium itself.
>
> -Anthony
>
> *The views here do not reflect the official views of PRIYOM or other
> PRIYOM members.
>
> On 7/21/2014 07:40, Flavio Cardone wrote:
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>> Hello -
>>
>> don't kid yourself, it's elitism (if it wasn't, you - Enigma 2000 -
>> wouldn't have to explain yourself)
>>
>> and you got annoyed because someone reposted your schedules without
>> paying homage to Enigma2000? Sorry, that's ridiculous, in this age of
>> information sharing. You shouldn't even *care* that someone reposts your
>> lists. As per your logic, this list shouldn't exist, as we're all
>> sharing information here. Did you ever hear, for instance, about open
>> source?
>>
>> Enigma2000 is no longer significant. You know, making an exclusive club
>> makes it interesting up to a point. At first, people can be attracted
>> because they think it's "special". Then, as the same information can be
>> found in other places (eg Priyom), people start not caring.
>>
>> I understand it makes you feel important and special when you restrict
>> information, but in 2014 it's a joke.
>>
>> Oh, and incidentally the "copyright" you like to affirm on the
>> Enigma2000 lists doesn't exist. Why? Because Enigma2000 has no legal
>> personality. It is only a group on Yahoo. It doesn't have a legal
>> director, representative or anything. Tell me, who would go to court to
>> enforce the copyright? You? the moderators?
>>
>> Just grow up. Imagine if every radio amateur or sw dx'er kept their
>> information just for them - radio wouldn't have evolved so much.
>>
>> So you don't want to help people who want to listen to number stations?
>> Fine, good for you.
>>
>> On 21/07/14 11:34, Beaumont, Paul wrote:
>>
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>>> Good morning Naig,
>>>
>>> One reason schedules are no longer  included is because of wholesale
>>> plagiarism. Those E2k members who construct schedules [including myself]
>>> took umbrage at the manner in which certain persons just took and in some
>>> cases reposted as their own work.
>>> The other matter being  those who freely used and never saw fit to
>>> supply any of their own loggings for us to use.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately the matter grew to a head and we sadly saw fit to refuse
>>> those who had reasonably asked permission to use and to withdraw their
>>> permitted use from Priyom who had also asked and were given permission.
>>>
>>> This isn't elitism;  we are just protecting the wishes of those who
>>> produced schedules and who saw red at the wholesale abuse we suffered from
>>> certain 'non-contributing' members - of which a few more will be removed
>>> soon - and others mentioned above.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Paul
>>> For ENIGMA2000
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to know hot to do to obtain the number station schedules from
>>> ENIGMA2000. I remember some months ago it was possible to read it in the
>>> bulletin, while now it is no more included in the bulletin.
>>> Thank you bye
>>> Naig
>>>
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