[Spooks] NS schedules from ENIGMA2000

Mon Jul 21 12:22:13 EDT 2014

Flavio,

Bravo.

The day and age we live in now - 2014 - isn't the Cold War, unlike some 
seem to wish to believe. In these times, on the INTERNET, we believe 
that the free flow of information is key to digital survival of hobbies 
- shortwave listening being one of them - and general livelihood.

I can see no possible benefit in the redaction of this sort of 
information. Who are you helping, keeping schedules to yourselves? Are 
numbers stations made to be a club? In the grand scheme of things, who 
CARES about numbers stations so much as to keep all the information 
hush-hush?

Everyone knows and praises Great Leader Enigma2000 for the supreme work 
he has done on the scene - and I don't deny that. But, sometimes, we 
need to let loose a little. This is 2014. This is the internet. If we 
want to keep everything secretive, silent, then might as well get our 
tin foil hats on and cover ourselves with a blanket in Mom's basement. 
If anything, keeping "our information ours" is very...childish? Why 
exist and claim to be for the benefit of others if that benefit is only 
given to those accepted into the club?

Granted, I understand that "a lot of work goes into making these 
schedules." Good. Jonas Salk did a lot of good, hard work on the polio 
vaccine - that was released for free. So I don't see the excuse for 
people who love listening to numbers stations to have a good public eye 
for what people want. I have personally seen dozens of people join the 
numbers community. I tend to believe numbers station schedules are less 
difficult to make than a polio vaccine. The way I see it, everyone in 
this community needs to work together, rather slapping each other's 
knuckles just because of a couple numbers on the radio.

If we keep everything so silent, then the shortwave community will die 
before the medium itself.

-Anthony

*The views here do not reflect the official views of PRIYOM or other 
PRIYOM members.
On 7/21/2014 07:40, Flavio Cardone wrote:
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> Hello -
>
> don't kid yourself, it's elitism (if it wasn't, you - Enigma 2000 -
> wouldn't have to explain yourself)
>
> and you got annoyed because someone reposted your schedules without
> paying homage to Enigma2000? Sorry, that's ridiculous, in this age of
> information sharing. You shouldn't even *care* that someone reposts your
> lists. As per your logic, this list shouldn't exist, as we're all
> sharing information here. Did you ever hear, for instance, about open
> source?
>
> Enigma2000 is no longer significant. You know, making an exclusive club
> makes it interesting up to a point. At first, people can be attracted
> because they think it's "special". Then, as the same information can be
> found in other places (eg Priyom), people start not caring.
>
> I understand it makes you feel important and special when you restrict
> information, but in 2014 it's a joke.
>
> Oh, and incidentally the "copyright" you like to affirm on the
> Enigma2000 lists doesn't exist. Why? Because Enigma2000 has no legal
> personality. It is only a group on Yahoo. It doesn't have a legal
> director, representative or anything. Tell me, who would go to court to
> enforce the copyright? You? the moderators?
>
> Just grow up. Imagine if every radio amateur or sw dx'er kept their
> information just for them - radio wouldn't have evolved so much.
>
> So you don't want to help people who want to listen to number stations?
> Fine, good for you.
>
> On 21/07/14 11:34, Beaumont, Paul wrote:
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>> Good morning Naig,
>>
>> One reason schedules are no longer  included is because of wholesale plagiarism. Those E2k members who construct schedules [including myself] took umbrage at the manner in which certain persons just took and in some cases reposted as their own work.
>> The other matter being  those who freely used and never saw fit to supply any of their own loggings for us to use.
>>
>> Unfortunately the matter grew to a head and we sadly saw fit to refuse those who had reasonably asked permission to use and to withdraw their permitted use from Priyom who had also asked and were given permission.
>>
>> This isn't elitism;  we are just protecting the wishes of those who produced schedules and who saw red at the wholesale abuse we suffered from certain 'non-contributing' members - of which a few more will be removed soon - and others mentioned above.
>>
>> Regards
>> Paul
>> For ENIGMA2000
>>
>>
>> I'd like to know hot to do to obtain the number station schedules from ENIGMA2000. I remember some months ago it was possible to read it in the bulletin, while now it is no more included in the bulletin.
>> Thank you bye
>> Naig
>>
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