[SOC] Religion

Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:29:27 PDT

If Jesus was not who he claimed to be, then he was either a madman,
or one of the most dispicable charlatans to walk the face of the
earth...

cheers, Paul

On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:14:29 +0100 [email protected] wrote:
> Don't get me wrong folks...I am not ridiculing anyone's religion....it is
> not my place.
> Although I do not believe in god, I do not 'throw the baby out with the
> bath-water'. I do believe that a wise, innovative, brave man called Jesus
> (I think of him as 'Mr Joshua-ben-Yussef') did indeed walk the earth. I
> take on board his words as a humanist message of tolerance and forgiveness

> as I do the words of Ghandi, Luther-King and (selected bits of) JFK.
> Obviously Jesus did believe in God ( he was referred to by many at the
time
> as a 'Rabbi'), but (usually) I do not.
> In allowing himself willingly to be crucified, he showed the ultimate
> example of turning the other cheek, and demonstrated that in absorbing
> endless suffering (as later repeated at Auschwitz etc.) gains you such a
> moral high ground that your cause becomes indisputable and irresistable.
> Call me a heretic, but I hold that my thinking of him as 'only' a very
> remarkable human being, as opposed to a 'bit' of God, makes his words all
> the more remarkable.
> Also the fact that (as a man) he knew that his death would be just as
> final, agonising and total as it is for the rest of us makes this
> demonstration all the more powerful...just like the buddhist monks who set

> themselves on fire in 'Nam.
> I think that you can be a follower of Jesus, and listen to his words,
> without believing in God.
> 
> What do you lot think?.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: f5pbl <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [SOC] tomorrow never comes...don't let it happen to you
> And Chris, as an answer to Deuteronomy 23:2 , you should have replied
> Mathew (? Matthieu) 19:30 ("But many of the first ones will be the last
> ones, and
> the last ones will be the first ones").
> 
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cheers, Paul - VA7NT ex VE7CQK - email: [email protected]
"Those who hear not the music. . . think the dancers mad."