[Skywarn] Pilger, Nebraska tornado photo: Why stormchasing has become unethical. [WARNING: DKIM validation failed]

Sat Jun 21 02:14:25 EDT 2014

That's why I'm chasing well spotting because I'm in state to help my fellow state out, I'm an x firefighter emtd now first responder, I always carry a trauma bag, chain saw with us when were out and about and if we see someone needing aid we will stop and help. It's the out of state people wanting vid and photo and to make a name for them selfs that's the problem,

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> On Jun 20, 2014, at 10:45 PM, "Bradly L. McGarr" <brad at mcgarr.us> wrote:
> 
> It's not just going to take the veterans to get some sanity back though. It will also take those of us younger/newer folks who view the opportunity to serve our communities in this capacity very seriously. The Trimmer Types (those who are well educated but oh so stupid none the less), and the Trimmer Wannabes are always going to be there. Ideally though, if local groups of Skywarn Spotters can get together and bring some sensibility back, a lot easier it would be for us to say "They're not operating under the Skywarn program, aren't affiliated with a Skywarn Chapter, and are operating outside of safety procedures."
> 
> Ultimately this is why I personally feel perhaps leaving the professional videography and photography equipment at home would help. That thousand-yard stare is more likely to occur when a bunch of people jump out of cars with cameras and start gawking around the place. If a team of Skywarn spotters rolled up on a destroyed home, jumped out in sturdy boots and appropriate attire for performing even basic SAR, immediately looked for ways to help, the response would be different. If people want to play Emergency Responder, OK, but only as a professional volunteer USAR/SAR team that also happens to spot storms.
> 
> I know people disagreed with my chaser/spotter differences, but it comes from my experience seeing those who identify themselves as chasers being those who travel thousands of miles to get close to the storms, ultimately to get "that video/photo" that will cover the gas/food/lodging expenses and then some. Those that I've talked to who identify themselves as spotters are more local, and are more likely to be carrying a hand-held wind gauge than a camera, and are there to keep people safe as their only goal. It may not be a fair distinction or always accurate, but I think people have to honestly ask themselves: why am I here? If it's to capture photos and video to sell, with public safety as a "oh, yeah, by the way, I have WFOs on speed dial or on ham radio", personally I think we could do without that crowd.
> 
> I harp a lot on video and photography because I honestly think this is the root of the evil. Sure, some people are looking for an adrenaline rush, but I think a lot fewer would invest stupid-amounts of money in lifted rigs with radio and sat-data, light bars, and more if they weren't expecting to sell exclusive video to NBC for a few grand. The money incentive of weather and storm photo- and videography is enough to move people from reasonable responsibility to epic stupidity. It's also likely what motivates enough newer spotters to take stupid risks, travel half-way across the country for the chance to become a legend getting that video. That and folks like Trimmer making it seem like it's safe as long as you're a 1/8 mile away from the base.
> 
> Strengthening local Skywarn groups, actually getting together, meeting, putting new spotters with responsible veterans, assigning realistic roles for a planned spotting/chase day, and doing it all in a much more coordinated manner would go a long way to helping the situation. Although, considering out here in Colorado we don't have that level of organization (and I don't think there are very many people even on distros like this), I'm wishing in one hand and... yeah.
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>> On 06/20/2014 8:54 pm, Jay Cafasso wrote:
>> In my opinion these extreme chasers are the problem, why? They are
>> unfortunately viewed as the communities role models, which again, in my
>> opinion, is bull-sheet-rock and "extremely" dangerous. I call them the
>> "Trimmer Types".
>> 
>> Reed Timmer who is very well educated, leads the pack racing around with
>> that marketing stunt he calls the Dominator. Why am I so critical? The
>> question I ask is, for what purpose does he chase? Trimmer is not Wurman,
>> Trimmer is about fame and fortune not science. I see him as the PT Barnum
>> of chasers and the new breed of spotter/chaser thinks he's a gas and its
>> now a gas to punch the core with a 8000lb modified pick up truck. As one of
>> his fan wrote when Trimmer reversed course from a twister, "Reed why are
>> you backing away?" So why did he? Well, he's not a box of chocolates that's
>> why and he is educated enough to know when to call the ball. The only
>> Russell Stovers out there are the ones watching and mimicking his actions
>> and are dumber than a that box of Russell Stovers not to know when to call
>> the ball. That's the dangerous part and its showing itself 'live' on
>> video...
>> 
>> Take for example the Washington, Illinois storm and the chaser who took his
>> six year old son out for a family chase and had the twister drop down on
>> them. Guy should have been arrested for child endangerment. The boy is
>> caught on video screaming, " were going to die"! Or how about the homeowner
>> who is video taping the storm while its eating his house with him and his
>> family in it. This is coming from where? Whom is teaching this behavior?
>> 
>> As a retired responder who does not consider himself a veteran storm
>> chaser, since most of my chases have been responses to the storms
>> aftermath. I see things from a different perspective while I did not chase
>> for fun thought many storm systems are plainly amazing and beautiful until
>> they eat a town or city. Then you get to see the lethality of that once
>> beautiful storm system. You also then get to see that 1000yds stare from
>> the victims as well and the pain of death.
>> 
>> Its not a game...as many vets know...
>> 
>> Let me give you an example of another dangerous perspective with chasers
>> like Timmer. At Mayflower, AR 10ft long Concrete Jersey Barriers were
>> overturned by that twister. Those barriers weighted some 4000lbs and the
>> structural engineers estimated winds at around 188mph struck at ground
>> level to overturn them. Now the vertical profile of those barrier is much
>> different than the Dominator. Reed is a smart guy though and knows the
>> limitations of that vehicle, while the twister he did punch was on its down
>> cycle with winds lowered when he entered.. I would love to have the wind
>> impact gang at Texas Tech put that vehicle through its paces.
>> 
>> However, Trimmer types are not the only problem. Chasers and spotters have
>> created their own social groups mimicking emergency management agencies.
>> Just visit Zello... Chief One, Deputy Chief, Incident Commander, radar
>> specialist etc... Then we have fragmented Skywarn groups that have more
>> drama associated with them than Act II of a Shakespearian play and
>> Shakespeare himself could not dream much of this drama up.
>> 
>> Yes there are some very excellent Skywarn groups out there along with some
>> great spotters and chasers who preform a great service, but they are not
>> the majority anymore today, unfortunately. We then have a under funded
>> emergency management system trying to re-engineer itself from the Bin Laden
>> witch hunt back to disasters.
>> 
>> What we have is a fragmented mess... and I know that many WCM's and EM's
>> are all not happy campers..
>> 
>> Its going to take the veteran spotter/chaser community to regain control,
>> coordinate between agencies and put things back in order before state
>> legislators do it for all of us. No easy task I might add...and of course
>> this is my opinion...
>> 
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>>> On Jun 20, 2014 7:59 PM, "Lloyd Colston" <kc5fm at juno.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Standorroh <standorroh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > In his article he also personally attacked Reed Timmer.  Evidently, he
>>> has
>>> > never seem him break off chasing to help in rescue efforts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mr. Timmer got hammered on the WX-Chase list ...
>>> https://lists.illinois.edu/lists/info/wx-chase ... because of it too.
>>> 
>>> He broke off the chase to "help" and showed video of his efforts ... in
>>> cutoffs and flip-flops ... standard equipment for trained Community
>>> Emergency Response Team folks ... NOT.
>>> 
>>> There's plenty of blame to spread around ... media for encouraging
>>> untrained people ... chasers for modeling unsafe behavior ... Emergency
>>> Managers for failing to adopt Skywarn as the LOCAL program it was designed
>>> to be.
>>> 
>>> When one points one finger, there's three pointing back.
>>> 
>>> Lets learn from the mistakes of others and do better.  After all, I won't
>>> live long enough to make all the mistakes all by myself.
>>> 
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