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On 6/28/2011 5:50 PM, Chris Boone wrote:
> Nope on the processing and supply comment. Natural Gas is processed and
> piped all over the US...there are large compressor plants in LA but there
> are also such in many other states (I know of several in E Texas
> alone)....It is not centralized and not a single point for attack...
We are also apparently sitting on top of (at least I am) of three of the 
largest and untapped deposits of deep natural gas in the world. There is 
one under Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Ilinois, Wisconsin, and I believe 
Ontario, Another under Pennsylvania and sourounding states, while a 
third is pretty much centralized under the Midwest farm land.  These are 
deep and I understand would require "fracking" to break up the shale, 
but being very deep there should be no problem from the process.  
Reportedly these fields contain enough gas to power the continental US 
for generations.

Even less deep deposits run some pretty high pressure.  About 60 miles 
to the SW of me is a field that reportedly had one of, if not the 
highest well head pressure for a land based well at IIRC on the order of 
6000#PSI or greater.  High pressure tanks for O2, N2, and NE2 run around 
2200PSI.  BTW they blew out one of those well heads and you could see 
the fire from 30 miles away and this is flat land country.  The 
so-called flat prairie is mountainous compared to lower Michigan.

Gas processing plants are spread around the country, but if I have my 
information straight are connected together via a pipeline system that 
is analogous to the electrical power grid.  IOW a couple years back, 
California was drawing natural gas from our reserves here in Michigan.  
They made more money by sending it to CA than selling it here.

The problem with the deep gas is the time required to drill, "frack" and 
the get it to the processing plants.  A time of probably on the order of 
10 years for a meaningful amount of gas.  Yet, it's clean, can be 
liquefied, can power cars, trains, and power plants with far less 
pollution than coal or even fuel oil. It's also cheap compared to 
Hydrogen, easy to transport, and contains a lot more energy per unit AND 
it does not take land out of food production.

73

Roger (K8RI)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> OTOH, the processing and supply system for NG is remarkably cantralized
> (in LA as I recall( and is highly vulnerable to a focused attack from
> domestic or foreign terrorists (according to terror risk-assessments).
>
> Also, there are some concerns that the availability and affordability
> of NG has been grossly over-represented by some at the national-level
> e.g. T. Boone Pickens who have a vested financial interest.
>
> No big thing ... I just have to sort out what I can live with ...  :-)
>
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