[SixClub] Forum topics

Sun May 10 01:09:10 EDT 2009

Ok, when you said Sys 90 head and Syntor I figured you weren't talking about 
the X9K.

73,

Scott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Boone" <Cboone at earthlink.net>
To: "'World Wide Six Meter Club'" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:07 AM
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>I was talking about the X9000; I merely use the Syntor name as a shortened
> typing.....N5STK down the street has two of them.....I checked them on my
> R2670 service monitor....BUT the parts are hard to find, programming
> software is NOT in the public domain and is illegal to have if you don't
> have the license from Mother M, etc..Also understand about the need for
> DOS/Win98 machine for the RSS. Of course these days, I run Astro P25 RSS 
> for
> my Spectra Astros and the Quantar P25 repeaters I have on Windows XP but
> have had my issues with Motorola, Midland and others software, etc (one of
> the Quantars is on my 444.5 freq :) System 90 is the head with multilayer 
> of
> buttons and different personalities (Like the GE S825 head on the Delta 
> S/SX
> and Rangers)....and allows some change up in the channel config etc. MUCH
> more than a standard head...but I still say the Midlands beat them hands
> down...Tested Syntor X9000 and Midland 70-0526 on 6mtrs...the Midland 
> could
> hear farther and better than the Mother M...Noise Blanker in the Midlands
> beats ANYTHING I have worked on in 35+ yrs of Mother M (the MICORs on LB
> were the WORST with their Extenders...always broke into oscillation and
> overloaded the main channel...GE MASTR II or Midland on same antenna?? Not
> an issue)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KB0NLY
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:48 PM
> To: World Wide Six Meter Club
> Subject: Re: [SixClub] Forum topics
>
> Chris,
>
> He was asking about the Syntor X9000, totally different beast...
>
> The X9000 is RIB and RSS programmings, not a Sys 90 system, and not a 
> memory
>
> module.  However, there is plenty of aftermarket software that other
> enterprising folks designed for programming the EEprom in the Syntor X.
>
> As a matter of fact i have a UHF repeater here that i help maintain that i
> built from a pair of Syntor X's, just pull the memory module, open it, 
> pull
> EEprom and erase and burn a new image to using my Willem programmer and 
> toss
>
> it back together and its on the air.  No fuss, just a little time 
> tinkering.
>
> I use a program i found on the net that a couple hams wrote to generate a
> .bin file with the frequency info, aka the codeplug, to burn to the 
> EEprom.
>
> I can program an X9K in about 10-20 minutes, just depends on how many
> channels, aka modes, that you want in the radio.  I can upgrade them from 
> 32
>
> to 64, or 128 modes as well just by swapping chips.
>
> The programming cable for the X9K is a little tough to find as it uses a 
> "T"
>
> cable, its a passthrough connector that goes between the control cable and
> the radio.  I don't bother using that setup anymore and just add a pigtail
> with a DB9 to the control cable, that way all i need is a DB25 to DB9 
> cable
> from my RIB to program it.
>
> However!!  The only drawback to the X9K and its software is needing an OLD
> and SLOW computer as it gets fussy when you get too fast.  Too fast being
> 25Mhz or more!  My last programming laptop died and my "new" one running 
> at
> 50Mhz doesn't like to cooperate with the X9K all the time, but if i turn 
> off
>
> the Turbo and run it at 25Mhz i can usually get it to work unless i get a
> radio with old firmware and slow chips.  The later models had faster 
> access
> times on the EEproms and they work marginally better, also the radio boots 
> a
>
> bit faster.
>
> Anyway, i used to have a ton of X9K's and i'm pretty familiar with them. 
> At
>
> one time i had a stack of lowband, vhf, and uhf in the mobile, along with
> another stack in the shack for vhf and uhf.
>
> 73,
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Boone" <Cboone at earthlink.net>
> To: <doc at kd4e.com>; "'World Wide Six Meter Club'" 
> <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SixClub] Forum topics
>
>
>> Doc
>> In answer to your questions below:
>>
>> The Syntor will cover 10 and 6 quite well and with NO problems; yes the
>> parts will eventually start to get hard to replace...with the mutli 
>> System
>> 90 head, you can have a lot of channels programmed...Never dealt with the
>> Kenwood BUT it probably WONT cover 29-54 like the Motorola will...and 
>> both
>> are limited to a max number of channels..
>> HOWEVER, Motorola software to reprogram is a BEAR to get ahold of...a
>> friend
>> of mine has two of them...and we have looked trying to find someone who
>> can
>> reprogram the modules to the freqs he wants..
>>
>> PERSONALLY, I suggest getting two Midland Syntech IIs..one on 10 (an A
>> Range
>> 70-05xxA model) and one for 6 (70-05xxC model)....that OR an XTR on 10 
>> and
>> the STII on 6 (XTR does 22 or 99 channel which is overkill on 10 FM; the
>> STII does 320 channels!!!)..EASIER to program (Software is in public
>> domain)
>> and there is a lot of neat things you can do...PLUS the NOISE BLANKER in
>> the
>> Midlands runs rings around the Motorola's "Extender"....and I love the
>> built
>> in optional crossband rptr in the STII...I have several that crossband to
>> UHF....and some with VHF crossband (2w synthesized HTs in the crossband
>> package...and its INSIDE the main radio...overall MUCH smaller than a
>> Syntor)
>>
>>
>> Still looking for the SS32s...found two TS32...but that's too big for 
>> your
>> needs...I THINK I know where the Selectone encoders are...which would be 
>> a
>> perfect fit in an HT...Let ya know Monday...my fuel pump went out today 
>> on
>> my Blazer and I have to drop the gas tank to replace it..ARG there goes
>> another $300 I wanted to spend on radios!
>>
>> Chris
>> WB5ITT
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kd4e
>> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:37 PM
>> To: World Wide Six Meter Club
>> Subject: Re: [SixClub] Forum topics
>>
>> Thank the Good Lord that electrons do not transfer odors!
>>
>> If by Forum you mean this list then I have one that I have
>> raised on another 6M forum ...
>>
>> As there any reason to prefer the Motorola Syntor 9000
>> VHF Low Band 28-54 MHz,100 Watt Model #T99VX+006W or
>> the Kenwood TK-6110-K2 35-50mhz?
>>
>> Questions:  Are their proprietary parts in the Motorola that
>> given its age may fail and be unobtanium?  Is the software to
>> reprogram the Motorola any more readily available than the
>> Kenwood?  Has anyone successfully reprogrammed and tweaked
>> the Kenwood for both 6 & 10M?
>>
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