[ScanIndiana] ADMIN: BS laws Carmel Police stopped ISP unmarked.

ronnielu ronnielu at michianawireless.com
Mon Jan 24 07:25:03 EST 2005 

WOW I bet their face was red.... Was it in the paper, or just by word of 
mouth...How Stuped can they be. I go thru Carmel at times with a caprice 
with 3 antennas on the back. Ham license plates tho.wonder if I will get 
stopped. Even if young bucks want to arrest everyone they must know law. I 
have the Indiana criminal and traffic law book in my squad car so I am up to 
date with the laws. I only carry a hand held scanner in my POV until I can 
get a digital scanner to listen to IPD and ISP down there and up here in the 
northern part of the state.  73   ronnielu
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <w9nes at comcast.net>
To: "Indiana Scanning" <scanindiana at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: [ScanIndiana] ADMIN: BS laws


> What in the world does a law on the books in Evansville have to do with 
> IC-35-44-3-12 Illegal use of a Police Scanner,Eating Hamburgers on 
> Sunday???Im am so sorry but this has nothing to do with a Police Scanner 
> in a car,If you are a Ham Radio Operator by STATE LAW you are covered and 
> exempt, but on the other hand if you are not a Ham Radio Operator and you 
> get stopped by a Law Enforcement Officer and he does see the radio ,by 
> state law if you do not have the proper paper work or a letter signed by 
> the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the county you live in, you are in 
> violation of 35-44-3-12,This is the reason why I carry a copy of the Burns 
> Statute 35-44-3-12 with me in my car at "all Times",For everyones 
> infomation a couple of months ago, we had a "Ham Radio Operator" Stopped 
> in Indianapolis by a officer with Indianapolis Police Department on the 
> east side of Indianapolis beacuse the officer  walked up to his car  after 
> he stopped the car , he told the person that he had
> a Illegal Police Radio in his car,The radio in question was a 2 meter ham 
> radio mobile that would not go out of band, the person told the officer 
> that he was a Ham Radio Operator and showed him his license,The officer 
> was told by a Communications Supervisor that "The radio is not a Police 
> scanner" it is a Ham 2 meter radio, After hearing this from the 
> Communications Supervisor on his radio, the officer returned to the car he 
> had stopped and he told the person he had not ever so him again  in the 
> area or his radio would be taken from him and he would go to jail.The new 
> officers that are just comming out of road school or ILEA do not care, all 
> they want to do is chase red lights and pull over people who have more 
> than one antenna on the car,Example Carmel Police pulling over a unmarked 
> Indiana State Police Trooper who had many antennas on his car,How many 
> Carmel Police Officers did it take to do this,5 of them !!! My point is 
> this, ALWAYS CARRY A COPY OF 35-44-3-12 with you an
> d if you are stopped by a Officer show him your copy of the law,It is 
> available to the public thru the public library under Indiana Law, go to 
> Title 35 and look for 35-44-3-12.Trying to keep everyone out of 
> trouble!!!!!! I am not a  legal person but being a former Law Enforcement 
> Officer this is the way the law reads,Sorry to bump heads with everyone 
> but this is my view on this subject at hand.....Thank You,Tim DeLong W9NES 
> Ham Radio Operator,Indianapolis,Indiana
>
>
>> I too have used VOX to record overnight traffic or if I was at work and
>> didn't want to miss something.
>>
>> I couldn't resist adding my $00.02 worth on the mobile scanner issue in
>> Indiana
>>
>> Do I personally agree with the current law as written?  -  NO
>>
>> Do I abide by it? - Not really
>>
>> Am I gambling with loosing a radio or two, court cost, attorney fees?  - 
>> Yes
>>
>> Do I care? - No I do not and NOBODY **AND I DO MEAN NOBODY** can change 
>> my
>> mind!
>>
>> If I choose to break the law, I am willing to accept any and all 
>> punishment
>> handed down no matter how harsh.
>>
>> Why do I feel like that I am an American, this is America where we are 
>> free
>> to choose right or wrong.
>>
>> Do I blame the Police Officer who stopped me or conviscates the 
>> radio(s)? -
>> No he's just doing his job, we pay him to enforce the laws.
>>
>> Are all laws fair and proper? - not !
>>
>> In my home town of Evansville Indiana there is a law on the books that 
>> say's
>> " Hamburgers can't be sold on Sunday"  I have yet to see anyone arrested 
>> at
>> McDonalds, Burger King or anywhere else in Evansville, Is it a good law 
>> Hell
>> No, If eating hamburgers on Sunday in Evansville Indiana is illegal then 
>> I
>> am a habitial offender and should be given life in prison at hard labor 
>> for
>> the number of illegal burgers I have consumed over the years.
>>
>> Do I obey the posted speed limit No not usually, do I blame anyone if I 
>> get
>> stopped and ticketed? - Yes Who do I Blame? - Me.
>>
>> Just my $00.02 worth
>>
>> Keep on Scanning
>>
>>
>> Just an FYI - I am studying for my Amatuer Radio Ticket, not only too 
>> make a
>> little more legal on the scanner side of things, CB radio, FMRS, are 
>> still
>> too crowded, unruly,..
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: scanindiana-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:scanindiana-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Dave Diehl
>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:08 AM
>> To: Indiana Scanning
>> Subject: Re: [ScanIndiana] ADMIN: BS laws
>>
>>
>> > before the PC was quite so common and before so many
>> > people had email at home -
>>
>> 300 baud modem and a Radio Shack Pro36...  Took the 36 and hooked it to a
>> voice activated recorder so I could hear what was going on during the
>> night...  ...dedication...
>>
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