[ScanIndiana] ADMIN: BS laws

[gary lane]

Hi all! 
  I am an amateur (ham) and a SWL and a CBer and a
scanner owner/listener and most of my friends are all
these. We dont have any problems with anyone involved
with any part of any of these hobbies and have found
MOST people we know dont. I guess we are a special
group that doesnt fit the normal scheme of things. I
just wish everyone could see the hobbies as such and
not argue about all this. Life is too short to spend
your time in such a manner.

Happy radioing!
Gary
KC9GEQ


 
--- Duane Mantick <wb9omc at nlci.com> wrote:

> In response to a good post from ADMIN, I want to
> throw
> in a couple more cents worth in the spirit of
> uniting
> rather than dividing.
> 
> I was active on the internet newsgroups many years
> ago
> before the PC was quite so common and before so many
> 
> people had email at home - most only had access in
> the
> workplace, and consequently many hobbies didn't have
> 
> the ability to bring participants together that we
> have
> today.
> 
> At the time when ECPA was being shopped around
> Washington
> and the Indiana Scanner Law already existed, I
> pointed out
> in a number of newsgroups that the American Radio
> Relay
> League refused to get involved in "non-ham" issues. 
> I
> further pointed out that this was short-sighted and
> unfortunate,
> because while what I called then (and still do) "the
> broader 
> radio hobby" had well divided segments (scanning,
> SWL, Amateur,
> CB, etc) we ALL share a number of common issues and
> bonds
> whether some of us like it or not.  :-)
> 
> I said, and was roundly proclaimed blasphemous from
> ALL sides 
> for doing so, that in the face of legislation that
> would 
> assault one part of "the broader radio hobby" or
> another we
> would all be better off UNITING rather than sniping
> at each
> other.  It was my belief then, and I believe that
> about a
> decade worth of time has proved me correct (but
> that's NOT a
> gloat), that we would be stronger with mutual
> support than we
> ever would thumbing our noses at each other.
> 
> This recent discussion brings out some sore spots
> that just
> don't need to be there and are nothing more than
> either snobbery
> or simple misunderstandings.  For example, Amateur X
> suggests
> that because the Indiana Scanner Law includes an
> exemption
> for licensed Amateurs that scanner enthusiasts who
> are complaining
> about the law simply get a ham license and not have
> to worry
> about it anymore.  Amateur X then gets stomped for
> having had
> the arrogance to suggest that the "superior
> amateurs" can get
> away with something that the scannists can't.
> 
> In the meantime, many CBers and hams can't say a
> civil word about
> each other....and the SWL's just wish EVERYONE would
> shut up so
> that they can *listen*.  :-)
> 
> Now since I can hear people thinking "get to the
> point", it is
> simply this.  With legislation about what you can
> listen to,
> zoning laws and covenants that restrict antennas,
> and god knows
> what else on the horizon, I will once again dare to
> suggest that
> all of us in "the broader radio hobby" should put
> aside 
> these idiotic quibbles of decades past and unite in
> support of
> each other.  We Amateurs need to respect the others
> and quit
> acting like we are gods of radio.  Scannists might
> well think
> less critically of an amateur who suggests that a
> ham license
> wouldn't hurt them any.  Hams and CBers need to quit
> sniping
> at each other and recognize that we ALL have our
> niche in 
> "the broader radio hobby".  SWLs can speak up
> instead of just
> listening and support the whole lot.
> 
> The net result?  Instead of several groups of radio
> hobbyists
> who won't lend their support for each other, a
> uniting and a
> fair meeting of the minds would result in one large
> group in
> the millions.  Millions of taxpayers, that is, who
> engage in
> "the broader radio hobby" in a fair and ethical
> manner and who
> do NOT deserve the crappy image or treatment that
> they have been
> getting.  Millions of taxpayers acting in a spirit
> of solidarity
> with each other are a LOT harder for
> congresscritters and state
> assemblymen to ignore.
> 
> Hoosier hobbyists, are you up for this?  Are you
> willing to accept
> and spread this idea and challenge to all the other
> related
> email lists and forums that you participate in? 
> I've been trying
> this for better than 10 years, I can't do it alone.
> 
> What would I like to see, ideally?  A true National
> Association
> of radio hobbyists for all *law abiding*
> participants - a forum
> for those participants to come together and a means
> for all of
> us to come together and lobby for laws and rules
> that make SENSE.
> And that means to ME laws that do NOT make criminals
> out of 
> people simply because they listen to a radio.  It
> also means that
> we hobbyists must act responsibly - and must decry
> and denounce
> those who refuse to do so.  IMHO, this is the ONLY
> way that 
> any government officials will ever take it seriously
> and act
> accordingly.
> 
> I ask for your indulgence in taking to the soapbox
> for this
> and hope that ADMIN will not think badly of me for
> doing so.
> I just do not wish to see so much potential go down
> the toilet
> over petty squabbles.
> 
> Duane Mantick
> WB9OMC, Amateur Extra Class
> KET-8490, CB
> WPWX735, GMRS
> FRS user
> scanner listener
> SWL
> "I do it all, I love it all"
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scanindiana-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:scanindiana-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
> Behalf Of Matthew C Payne
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:41 PM
> To: Indiana Scanning
> Subject: [ScanIndiana] ADMIN: BS laws
> 
> OK folks.  Time out.  Take a breath.
> 
> This list has ONE rule.  And that is not to flame
> (insult, demean, badger,
> hassle, yell at, intimidate, or provoke) any other
> members.  I really don't
> think that this is too unreasonable of a
> restriction.  
> There are times when I really think there should be
> more.  But in the end, I
> believe that the more restrictive a list is, the
> less potential it has as a
> source of information.  So I intend to do my best to
> keep to the path that
> has made this list a success for all of these years.
>  But list members might
> consider observing some "guidelines".
> 
>     - Unless it is directly related to scanning,
> folks might consider
> leaving politics out of the discussion.  Now
> scanners and scanner
> enthusiasts have been under attack over the years
> from different political
> sources.  So if it's remotely relevant, by all means
> discuss it.  But try
> not to bee too enraged when someone dares disagree
> with 
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