[Scan-DC] D.C. Fire/EMS: Planning for ENCRYPTION !!!

[Matt Stevens]

Everyone should thank Radio Reference :(

http://statter911.com/2013/11/20/dc-fire-ems-department-looking-at-encryption-of-radio-channels-navy-yard-shooting-cited-as-example/


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Clegg, Andrew W. <aclegg at nsf.gov> wrote:

> Thanks for the links to the licensing pools, but without looking through
> reams of documents, I can't see any information on whether a receive-only
> device such as a scanner that is not attached to an LTE network is capable
> of receiving and decoding LTE signals off-the-air. I don't think that's
> possible, but I would be very interested to see the contrary, as that would
> hold out hope for future scanner enthusiasts. If you know of some reliable
> information on this topic, please let us know.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Krauss [mailto:jeff at krauss.ws]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:54 AM
> To: Clegg, Andrew W.
> Cc: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] D.C. Fire/EMS: Planning for ENCRYPTION !!!
>
> But see:
> http://www.vialicensing.com/lte/index.aspx
> http://www.sisvel.com/index.php/lte
>
>
>
> At 09:42 AM 11/19/2013, Clegg, Andrew W. wrote:
> >Licensing LTE for receive-only scanners is extremely unlikely (if
> >not impossible) in my opinion. I'm not sure if it's possible if
> >there isn't a two-way connection between the receiver and the
> >transmitter (for authentication) as there is when a handset is
> >attached to the system. In any event, scanner licensing was never
> >done, or was not even possible, for other cellphone-like
> >technologies, such as iDEN, which was widely used in the south for
> >public safety traffic (Georgia State Police, for example).
> >
> >Anyway, my bet is that it is either not possible (most likely), or
> >not probable, for LTE technology to be licensed for scanners.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeff Krauss [mailto:jeff at krauss.ws]
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:32 AM
> >To: Clegg, Andrew W.; Lee Williams; Dewey3; Jonathan Binstock
> >Cc: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net; Alan Henney
> >Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] D.C. Fire/EMS: Planning for ENCRYPTION !!!
> >
> >While LTE links are encrypted, clearly the receivers (which are
> >consumer products--namely, cell phones) have decryption capabilities.
> >As consumer products, they are already prime candidates for
> >hacking.  Do a Google search on "hacking LTE."
> >But even disregarding such illegal actions, it seems likely that LTE
> >technology will be available for licensing by scanner manufacturers,
> >and that the public safety flavor of LTE would allow the system
> >operator to decide which channels or talk groups are able to be
> >decrypted by scanners.
> >
> >
> >At 08:40 AM 11/19/2013, Clegg, Andrew W. wrote:
> > >Future generations of public safety networks will very possibly use
> > >LTE, which is an IP-based cellphone and mobile-broadband technology
> > >that is effectively encrypted, with no capability to be monitored by
> > >receivers that are not integrated into the network. So public safety
> > >will no longer have to choose whether to go encrypted or not.
> > >
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