[SADXA] My Tower

Sun Apr 26 00:55:21 EDT 2009

KC0LL's tower isn't over 100 feet, so it shouldn't have required a special permit.

Dick, K5RR

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Wothe <jdwothe at cox.net>
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower

I have not heard of anyone who has talked to them and gotten an intelligent 
answer. I have heard they are going with the "national code" what ever that 
is. I do know of a ham/Civil PE engineer and maybe I will call him and see 
what he can tell me about the code and towers. Or is that structures?

Maybe I can look into inviting David, KC0LL, and see, if nothing else, he 
will come and tell his story, maybe with pictures like on his website.

I have been through this process and what it took was a zone permit, which 
says its ok to have a tower in that area at a certain height,and , a permit 
for the structure. The code defines what wind velocity the tower has to 
withstand, with safety factor. The tower people do structure analysis for 
each of their tower and its available when you buy a tower. Most cities 
counties require the calculations to be stamped by a Civil PE licensed in 
the state you put the tower up.

You also have to have the installation inspected at various steps along the 
way to show you are meeting the construction instructions. That includes the 
construction of the REBAR cage that goes in the tower base. Also the type of 
concrete you use, if called out by the installation instructions.

Its not that bad if you know what hymnal you are singing from. That  seems 
to be the unknown in Pima.

Jerry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RICHARD SOLOMON" <w1ksz at q.com>
To: "SADXA" <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower

>
> Can we invite KC0LL to a meeting to give a talk on how he did this ??
>
>
>
> Also, has anone found out the requirements for a permit ? Are they in
>
> writing somewhere in the County Reg's ??
>
>
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>> From: jdwothe at cox.net
>> To: sadxa at mailman.qth.net
>> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:30:37 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower
>>
>> Bernie:
>>
>> You must have been in HRO there in SD. Tom and I go back many years.
>>
>> I checked out the KC0LL website. I chuckled all the way through the view 
>> of
>> the
 tower. What a fantastic outcome. I wonder how much flack the county 
>> has
>> had over that tower. The jokers at the Pima P&Z really did themselves in 
>> on
>> this one. I must find him and hear his story.
>>
>> I wonder what they define as an engineered tower. Rohn is an engineered
>> tower with engineering to go with it.
>>
>> Have a great trip home.
>>
>> Jerry
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "BERNIE J SASEK" <bsasek at msn.com>
>> To: "Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector" <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower
>>
>>
>> > Jerry and all.
>> > you need to check out 'kc0ll.net' this guy beat pima county p&z at
>> > their own game. still in SD. We are leaving for Tucson tomorrow 
>> > morning.
>> > Tom, KM6K, says to say hello. Hope to be on the air in 24 hours.
>> >
>> > Bernie
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: Jerry Wothe<mailto:jdwothe at cox.net>
>> > To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail
>> > Reflector<mailto:sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:30 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower
>> >
>> >
>> > I have not seen a pole with that kind of wind load rating but I am sure
>> > they are around.
>> >
>> > You are right about Pima County. Those guys are such a wonderful bunch,
>> > they
>> > are looking out for our best interests.
>> >
>> > If I walked in and told them I was planning to put that tower up, they
>> > would
>> > probably have a cow.
>> >
>> > Some day when we are together I will tell you a story about a guy in
>> > Prescott that went in and told the permit folks he was going to put up 
>> > a
>> > 90'
>> > tower in a 35' zone. They said you cant do that. In the end he got a
>> > permit.
>> >
>> > Great Stories.
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: <k5rr at aol.com<mailto:k5rr at aol.com>>
>> > To: <sadxa at mailman.qth.net<mailto:sadxa at mailman.qth.net>>
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:04 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower
>> >
>> >
>> > > I?think for what you'd hav
e to pay for one of these things you could
>> > get a
>> > > rotating steel pole.? I think I'd rather go that route.? Fortunately,
>> > Pima
>> > > County keeps our impulses in check.
>> > >
>> > > Dick
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Jerry Wothe <jdwothe at cox.net<mailto:jdwothe at cox.net>>
>> > > To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>> > <sadxa at mailman.qth.net<mailto:sadxa at mailman.qth.net>>
>> > > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:48 pm
>> > > Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Actually, one to the guys in the CADXA says he imports heavy stuff 
>> > > all
>> > the
>> > > time from Japan and says shipping isn't all that bad. He quoted it 
>> > > cost
>> > > about $300 to ship a car from there. I am sure this will be much more
>> > as I
>> > > don't know of many cars that weigh 15 tons. But I will ask him what 
>> > > he
>> > > thinks this one would be.
>> > >
>> > > I missed that weight tag on their site. I would imagine the 168' job 
>> > > is
>> > a
>> > > few more K lbs. I wonder how much concrete that thing needs under it?
>> > >
>> > > 73's
>> > > Jerry
>> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > > From: <k5rr at aol.com<mailto:k5rr at aol.com>>
>> > > To: <sadxa at mailman.qth.net<mailto:sadxa at mailman.qth.net>>
>> > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 5:59 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Their web site says that the 145 foot model weighs 28,600 lb!!!??See
>> > >> www.luso.us/index2.html<http://www.luso.us/index2.html>.? I assume
>> > they're going to ship these things
>> > >> from
>> > >> Japan.? What must that cost?!
>> > >>
>> > >> 73, Dick
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: Jerry Wothe <jdwothe at cox.net<mailto:jdwothe at cox.net>>
>> > >> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>> > <sadxa at mailman.qth.net<mailto:sadxa at mailman.qth.net>>
>> > >> Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 4:25 am
>> > >> Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Dick:
>> > >>
>> > >> Yes I think you are right about the m
arket in the US. When one looks
>> > at
>> > >> the
>> > >> size of everything to deal with something like that its mind 
>> > >> boggling.
>> > >>
>> > >> It sure would be fun to have something like that, but I supposed the
>> > >> neighbors would not be very happy, to say the least.
>> > >>
>> > >> I could not find anything on the weight of the unit. It has to be
>> > several
>> > >> tons.
>> > >>
>> > >> Jerry
>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > >> From: <k5rr at aol.com<mailto:k5rr at aol.com>>
>> > >> To: <sadxa at mailman.qth.net<mailto:sadxa at mailman.qth.net>>
>> > >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:21 PM
>> > >> Subject: Re: [SADXA] My Tower
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> These Luso people are crazy to think there's a significant U.S.
>> > market
>> > >>> for
>> > >>> these things.? Got to give them credit for audacity, though.
>> > >>> Yeah, I'd like to have one.?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Dick
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> From: Jerry Wothe <jdwothe at cox.net<mailto:jdwothe at cox.net>>
>> > >>> To:
>> > ""Undisclosed-Recipient:;""@mailman.qth.net<mailto:%22Undisclosed-Recipient:;%22%22 at mailman.qth.net>
>> > >>> Sent: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 9:17 am
>> > >>> Subject: [SADXA] My Tower
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I have finally found a tower I think will do just fine. Adjusta
>> > > ble for
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> right
>> > >>> angle of take off, so that is not an issue.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Its a Luso, free standing crank up.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Full height 168'
>> > >>> Nested 44'
>> > >>> 140 SQ ft at 50 MPH
>> > >>> 18" at the top and it will take a 8.6" mast
>> > >>> 82" across the bottom.
>> > >>> 6 sections,
>> > >>> 50 Seconds up or down with slowing at the ends so as not to bend 
>> > >>> all
>> > the
>> > >>> elements when it stops.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I wonder what the HOAs would think of that. Even the county of Pima
>> > >>> would
>> > >>> have a
>> > >>> cow.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> That is what I call a real tower.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> It only takes a little $$$$ but I dont know how much.
>> > 
>>>
>> > >>> They have others less impressive tower, like, 145' and 118', hardly
>> > >>> worth
>> > >>> considering.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Check it out at:
>> > http://www.luso.us/index2.html<http://www.luso.us/index2.html>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Why stop at 70 or 80 feet when you can go to 168.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 73's
>> > >>> Jerry
>> > >>> W6XI
>> > >>>
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