[R-390] R-390 Digest, Vol 119, Issue 24
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I use both WS2 and HBN powders of all my firearms and bullets. I store the WS2 (and HBN) in plastic PETE jars. Although I purchased the jars some time ago, Peter Pan peanut butter comes in a PETE jar.
If one was so inclined, there are 2 great sites that discuss these materials:
6mmbr.com (info on plating bullets using Moly, WS2, and HBN.)
Bobistheoilguy.com (some excellent discussions by real Engineers, and Tribologists that formulate additive packages for oil companies)
BIOG, has some great info on a product called "Lubromoly" that was designed to be used in auto engines. The particle size is SO small, they go right through the filter, and stay suspended in the oil.
The best grease I have made so far, is a mixture of engine assembly lube (high in Zinc) and WS2.
ron
N4UE
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Today's Topics:
1. Tungsten Disulfide Question (Tisha Hayes)
2. R-390A: Soul of the Machine (Mark Richards)
3. Re: R-390A: Soul of the Machine (Barry)
4. WS Powder use (Perry Sandeen)
5. Re: WS Powder use (Jbrannig at verizon.net)
6. Re: WS Powder use (rbethman)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:49:24 -0500
From: Tisha Hayes <tisha.hayes at gmail.com>
To: R390A <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [R-390] Tungsten Disulfide Question
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I just keep it in dry form. I have a mason jar full of the stuff and it has
never been a problem. When I use it I cut it with alcohol in very small
quantities for that application and just put the mason jar back on the
shelf.
If you buy bulk from the original supplier you can get a tub of grease or
the half-quart bottle of the engine additive concentrate (that I have been
using in my car). One time I "lost" the engine additive bottle (lost in
plain sight, in the trunk of my car) so I just took a scoop full of the
powder (one of those scoops you find in a PowerAide drink concentrate) and
dumped it into a half empty bottle of Mobil 1 motor oil and added that to
my car engine.
I have not been too concerned about the mixing ratios, concentrates, etc..
with the stuff. For the car the only real purpose it serves is for that
first second or so when cranking over a cold engine when the oil had
drained into the sump after a few days. The tungsten stuff is klingy enough
(in my belief) to keep the cams and maybe the bottom end of the piston
sleeves at least a little lubricated.
The only negative effect I have seen is at oil change time. If I do it at
3000 miles the people at the local shop go "whoo-hee, that is some black
motor oil!". I do not explain or elaborate, they would look at me as if I
had grown a third eye out of the middle of my forehead if I explained.
For those who have participated in Perry's offering to the list, what have
been your experiences? Do you think it was worth the effort to spend the
few bucks to use it?
--
Ms. Tisha Hayes. AA4HA
*"There are many who live in the mountains and behave as if they were in
the town; they are wasting their time. It is possible to be a solitary in
one's mind while living in a crowd; and it is possible for those who are
solitaries to live in the crowd of their own thoughts."*
*-Amma Sarah of the Desert*
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:59:15 -0400
From: Mark Richards <mark.richards at massmicro.com>
To: R-390-List <R-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [R-390] R-390A: Soul of the Machine
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I am sitting here soaking in the wonderful sounds of a Real Radio
Receiver. Having fixed most of the issues in my sad-case of an R-390A
(Stewart-Warner S/N 2786) the tubes glow and the signals now flow. I am
like an eager child, opening the holiday gift before the sun rises. I
have the wonderful and esteemed members of this list; all those whose
inspired work made such miracles as this so possible, to thank.
Working on the R-390A I have reflected upon this concept: Soul of the
Machine. Today's modern, ultra-compact, digitized, flat-screen
flat-world E-devices, laden with useless facade and equally-useless
features, lack the heft, presence, and character of an earlier time,
where electronic wonders actually took a few minutes to come to life.
Those 30 dramatic seconds from dark to signal are a deeply satisfying
pause... this receiver's way of saying, "I have something worth waiting
for". And, she's right. Her individual character, warm tone, and
satisfying rich sound are all made possible through the magic of that
which our modernity lacks: a beating heart. This machine has soul. In
her presence, the false and vacuous melt into the goo from which they
were molded. Tonight there is the R-390A, and nothing else.
There's more work to be done on this old and venerable Real Radio
Receiver, but tonight I am taking in her wonders as band after band
speaks in ways the transistorized, processed, and homogenized modern
gear simply can never achieve.
I am, to put it plainly, in love.
/K1MGY
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 22:37:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Barry <n4buq at knology.net>
To: Mark Richards <mark.richards at massmicro.com>
Cc: R-390-List <R-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [R-390] R-390A: Soul of the Machine
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Reminds me of the book "The Soul of a New Machine". Good read.
Barry - N4BUQ
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> From: "Mark Richards" <mark.richards at massmicro.com>
> To: "R-390-List" <R-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:59:15 PM
> Subject: [R-390] R-390A: Soul of the Machine
>
> I am sitting here soaking in the wonderful sounds of a Real Radio
> Receiver. Having fixed most of the issues in my sad-case of an
> R-390A
> (Stewart-Warner S/N 2786) the tubes glow and the signals now flow. I
> am
> like an eager child, opening the holiday gift before the sun rises.
> I
> have the wonderful and esteemed members of this list; all those whose
> inspired work made such miracles as this so possible, to thank.
>
> Working on the R-390A I have reflected upon this concept: Soul of the
> Machine. Today's modern, ultra-compact, digitized, flat-screen
> flat-world E-devices, laden with useless facade and equally-useless
> features, lack the heft, presence, and character of an earlier time,
> where electronic wonders actually took a few minutes to come to life.
> Those 30 dramatic seconds from dark to signal are a deeply satisfying
> pause... this receiver's way of saying, "I have something worth
> waiting
> for". And, she's right. Her individual character, warm tone, and
> satisfying rich sound are all made possible through the magic of that
> which our modernity lacks: a beating heart. This machine has soul.
> In
> her presence, the false and vacuous melt into the goo from which they
> were molded. Tonight there is the R-390A, and nothing else.
>
> There's more work to be done on this old and venerable Real Radio
> Receiver, but tonight I am taking in her wonders as band after band
> speaks in ways the transistorized, processed, and homogenized modern
> gear simply can never achieve.
>
> I am, to put it plainly, in love.
>
> /K1MGY
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:42:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Perry Sandeen <sandeenpa at yahoo.com>
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Subject: [R-390] WS Powder use
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List,
?
Wrote: I am now reluctant to keep W2S in dry form.
?
After your experience with the Pepsi bottles that
is a reasonable thought.
?
However, I still have several pounds of WS powder
stored in ordinary zip lock bags which have shown no degradation since I
purchased it many months ago.
?
It is inherently safe with ordinary precautions.? I filled many small zip lock
bags with it and
I did get some on my fingers but it washed off easily with soap and water. Most
of the time I used cheap latex gloves as I was measuring out many bags.
?
The reason one doesn?t want to breathe it is the
same reason ones doesn?t want to inhale coal dust or fine cotton particles.
?
If any of the above gets into your lungs it stays
there.? Enough over a long period of time
will lead to a form of ?Black Lung? problems.
?
Because of the fineness of the particles, when I
was lifting it out to the smaller bags, was that I would get almost vertical
side
walls when lifting it out with a tiny spatula.
?
Yes, if you?re going to have a big sneeze or a
fast airflow that is not good around WS powder.? But it is perfectly useable
without a respirator.
?
One uses alcohol as a delivery system that
evaporates leaving the WS on the part one wants lubricated.
?
Reasonable care of use yes, fear no.
?
Regards,
?
Perrier??
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:23:05 -0400
From: <Jbrannig at verizon.net>
To: "Perry Sandeen" <sandeenpa at yahoo.com>, <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [R-390] WS Powder use
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This sounds like nasty stuff, what is it used for?
jim
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From: Perry Sandeen
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 12:42 AM
To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [R-390] WS Powder use
List,
Wrote: I am now reluctant to keep W2S in dry form.
After your experience with the Pepsi bottles that
is a reasonable thought.
However, I still have several pounds of WS powder
stored in ordinary zip lock bags which have shown no degradation since I
purchased it many months ago.
It is inherently safe with ordinary precautions. I filled many small zip
lock bags with it and
I did get some on my fingers but it washed off easily with soap and water.
Most
of the time I used cheap latex gloves as I was measuring out many bags.
The reason one doesn?t want to breathe it is the
same reason ones doesn?t want to inhale coal dust or fine cotton particles.
If any of the above gets into your lungs it stays
there. Enough over a long period of time
will lead to a form of ?Black Lung? problems.
Because of the fineness of the particles, when I
was lifting it out to the smaller bags, was that I would get almost vertical
side
walls when lifting it out with a tiny spatula.
Yes, if you?re going to have a big sneeze or a
fast airflow that is not good around WS powder. But it is perfectly useable
without a respirator.
One uses alcohol as a delivery system that
evaporates leaving the WS on the part one wants lubricated.
Reasonable care of use yes, fear no.
Regards,
Perrier
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:05:10 -0400
From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [R-390] WS Powder use
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WS2 is a very advanced lubricant. It is normally distributed in the dry
form. It is less expensive to ship dry, vs. wet.
The fluid used as a carrier is combined with the dry powder. Ethanol,
Isopropyl alcohol, denatured alcohol, and other carriers simply make it
manageable to use.
There are quite a number of things that are equally "nasty" that are
used daily in the lives of people.
Carburetor and Choke cleaner in a spray container can be procured across
the automotive parts and cleaners arena.
Reading its MSDS papers show it to be nastier. It will simply enter the
body through the skin.
Trichloroethane 1 1 1, a very common solvent in use during the '60s -
'70s is way up on the list of *unhealthy* solvents.
Once again, its MSDS show it to be nastier. It will simply enter the
body through the skin. It had wide use in cleaning High Voltage stress
cone terminations to prepare the cross linked polymer insulation to
prepare it for application of various tapes to create the profile of the
stress cone.
Trichloroethane 1 1 1, was also distributed in 55 gal. containers, and
down to 1 gal. cans for cleaning aircraft parts and components. It was
also used in any engine works.
An example of its efficacy, the rubber coated wire looms on engines were
sometimes placed in an open air bucket to clean them. "Trico",
completely dissolved the rubber.
Many hands were immersed in this solvent, as were many other solvents.
Stoddard solvent isn't exactly a safe one to use either.
It is really a case of understanding what the hazards are, and take care
when handling.
WS2, Tungsten Di-Sulfide, has one of the lowest coefficients of friction
available.
Lubricating the gears assembly of the R-390A with it is very beneficial.
It also is a very good lubricant for firearms, engines, and far more.
The nano particle nature of it makes it bond to the surface and reduce
friction between parts.
Regards,
Bob - N0DGN
On 3/21/2014 8:23 AM, Jbrannig at verizon.net wrote:
> This sounds like nasty stuff, what is it used for?
>
> jim
>
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