[R-390] [Fwd: [Milsurplus] RE: R-390-A Engraved Panels]

Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:44:28 -0800

Dan,

Over and over I see guys on this list do the legwork to cook up a good deal
for everyoneonly to see their efforts discounted by the cheapo's. I was/am
still sincerely interested in your EK-07's but I just haven't got the
scratch. But you'll notice that I didn't whine about it that you must be
jacking the price up. It seems like a good deal but I haven't got the dough.
End of story. Ditto for the engraved panels. A reasonable price considering
the job. I have never seen a scratch-built or widget product for the amateur
market succeed without humongous marketing $$; too many cheapo's cry about
it. The major equipment makers such as ICOM and the like are largely
subsidized by the other markets that they serve, or the military markets for
other countries, so they don't have to recoup all their development costs on
the cheapo's.

I'd still like to have a Zippo with a 390 silkscreen, but Joe Foley couldn't
swing the cost/committed order gap.

But keep that thinking cap on, Dan. Not that you'd take it off at my
suggestion!

Bob

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Dan Arney
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:24 PM
To: [email protected]; R-390
Subject: Re: [R-390] [Fwd: [Milsurplus] RE: R-390-A Engraved Panels]

Bob, Well after sitting on the sidelines for some length of time I
decided to see if an engraved panel could be made at some kind of
reasonable cost.

First I talked to some stamping houses that would use a 250 ton press to
hit the panel plus the trip to even the stamps out. Stamp die estimate
at 15 to 17 K for starters.

I then went to the CNC house that did the SX-88 Bezels for me.
They estimate 6 to 8 hours to program the CNC plus proof test on the
quality of the engraving. not cheap.
After spending some time in costing I came up with a turnkey estimate of
$150.00 per panel.
My guess was an order of 30 units would give me (God Forbid) a small
profit for my effort. So I posted an honest offer to provide a Quality
job for all of the comments from the people wanting an engraved panel.
Guess what the old saying of "Money Talks and Bull S--- Walks" still
stands. I have had 3 legitimate offers to order, 3 to sell panels to the
needy, for to just engrave his existing panel with 4 direct replies that
I am ripping people off.

So I challenge anyone to get off of their dead A$$ and do a quality
turnkey job as I have offered.

"IT BOILS DOWN TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP"

So if the this not work any other posts with reference to engraved
panels should be assigned to the circular file 26, or delete key.
This should then make for a lot of silk screened panels.

If I do not get the required orders by 4-15-03 then this price/offer is
down the drain. My original post says it all.

Hope this gets by the censor.

Thanks es 73
Hank
KN6DI

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