[QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA
Jim Oathout
jim at djperformance.com
Sun Nov 18 18:15:06 EST 2012
Pseudo-on-topic...
I was just asked by a prospective new member where to send membership
applications, and with all the changes I wasn't sure. I thought it best to
ask here.
Thanks!
Jim Oathout - WB0KZB
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[mailto:qcwahotlist-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Roske
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:10 PM
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HQ never included the latest issues for give away in the hamfest packages.
Bob, N0UF
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Peters" <petersj007 at hawaii.rr.com>
To: "Calvin Jackson" <caljack at fairpoint.net>; "Howard Honig"
<howard at honeysw.com>; "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
Cc: <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:29 PM
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> Why would anyone care? We give the Journal to non members. Good way to
> get them interested in joining. Just like giving away QST after you read
> it.
>
> John K1ER
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Calvin Jackson" <caljack at fairpoint.net>
> To: "Howard Honig" <howard at honeysw.com>; "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
> Cc: <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA
>
>
> I normally stay out of these discussions also. But I have a question
> concerning Howard's idea 0f putting an active llnk in the Reflector email
> to
> access the Journal. My question is, Could that active link be easily sent
> to a non-dues paying recipient, making it easy for him to access the
> journal
> without having to pay dues? Or is that a valid concern? Or perhaps I
> don't
> understand the system.
> Calvin Jackson AC5HM
> Vice President
> Chapter #63
> caljack at fairpoint.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard Honig" <howard at honeysw.com>
> To: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
> Cc: <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA
>
>
> I normally stay out of these discussion but I have an idea that won't save
> money but will
> save some time. It would be great if in addition to having the journal
> available in the
> Member's Only section that an active link to the journal be included in
> the
> email sent to
> those subscribed to this reflector to notify us that the journal is ready.
> (An active link is
> one the someone can click on to open browsers or d/l files). That
> would save a lot of time so we don't have to log into the Member's Only
> section
> and hunt for the journal link entry. We, the chapter secretaries, can
> then forward the email to the members of our chapter who have email and/or
> print
> out a copy as necessary for those who do not (have email) with two clicks
> of
> the mouse button.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> 73 -
>
> Howard, WB7OK
> Chapter 108
> Secr/Treas
> http://www.beaverstateqcwa.org
>
>
> On 11/17/2012 8:01 PM, Bob Roske wrote:
>> You do not need to include the email id of anyone that is subscribed to
>> the
>> reflector and the email if of the reflector.
>>
>> The PDF of the Journal will be on the Members Only section of the
>> website,
>> just as they are now.
>>
>> 73,
>> Bob Roske, NØUF
>> Webmaster QCWA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Peters" <petersj007 at hawaii.rr.com>
>> To: "Ken Simpson, W8EK" <ExecAdmin at qcwa.org>; <svetanoff at earthlink.net>
>> Cc: <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA
>>
>>
>>> I think it is too late to worry about what else might have been done.
>>> I
>>> think we need to deal with a PDF version sent with email and let each
>>> chapter figure out the best way to distribute what is left of the
>>> magazine.
>>> In worst case, print one and let the members read it at a meeting.
>>> Or print enough within each chapter for interested members.
>>>
>>> John K1ER
>>> Honolulu Ch
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ken Simpson, W8EK" <ExecAdmin at qcwa.org>
>>> To: <svetanoff at earthlink.net>
>>> Cc: <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 4:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Dale,
>>>>
>>>> I will conclude this thread with one more comment.
>>>>
>>>> You say "If QCWA is, in fact, so close to bankruptcy, and even the
>>>> modest cost for a 99% reduction in mailings is not affordable, then I
>>>> contend that a call for help with that expense should have gone out to
>>>> the chapters prior to making the "all or nothing" decision."
>>>>
>>>> I have been doing just as you say, suggesting that chapters make
>>>> donations to the operating fund, for over two years. Some chapters
>>>> did, but most did not. We can ask, but we can not force the chapters
>>>> to help. It is up to them.
>>>>
>>>> Producing a print Journal for 50 people is simply not cost effective.
>>>> I doubt we could even find a printer who would print that few. It
>>>> needs to be more like 1000 copies for printers to be interested, and
>>>> producing that 1000 would cost us about half of what the present 5000
>>>> copies costs. Very simply, we can not afford it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, 73,
>>>>
>>>> Ken, W8EK
>>>>
>>>> Ken Simpson, W8EK
>>>> QCWA Director and Executive Administrator
>>>> E-Mail to ExecAdmin at qcwa.org
>>>> QCWA Phone (352) 425-1097
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dale Svetanoff wrote, On 11/17/2012 9:03 PM:
>>>>> Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your patient and thoughtful replies. I'll conclude my
>>>>> thoughts and comments by saying that yes, I do get the picture as
>>>>> presented
>>>>> by you and President Oelke. What I don't get is why, if there are
>>>>> "only"
>>>>> about 1% (give or take) of the overall membership who do not have
>>>>> e-mail
>>>>> or
>>>>> computer access, printed copies of the "Journal" (and other
>>>>> appropriate
>>>>> documents) could not be prepared and supplied by QCWA HQ. It seems to
>>>>> me
>>>>> that this would be a very small fraction of the present number of
>>>>> printed
>>>>> copies, at much less cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> If QCWA is, in fact, so close to bankruptcy, and even the modest cost
>>>>> for
>>>>> a
>>>>> 99% reduction in mailings is not affordable, then I contend that a
>>>>> call
>>>>> for
>>>>> help with that expense should have gone out to the chapters prior to
>>>>> making
>>>>> the "all or nothing" decision. My concerns over lack of a uniform
>>>>> solution
>>>>> for all chapters with members not having e-mail is partly driven by
>>>>> guessing (rightly or wrongly) that some chapters are better off
>>>>> financially
>>>>> than are others. The members of the "weaker" chapters are likely to
>>>>> see
>>>>> their supply of hard copy dwindle over a rather short period of time.
>>>>> Of
>>>>> course, with amateur radio being a fraternity of wonderful people that
>>>>> do
>>>>> help one another a lot, I am glad to learn that many donors are
>>>>> stepping
>>>>> up
>>>>> to help with the associated issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do truly appreciate the efforts that the QCWA officers and BoD are
>>>>> making
>>>>> to salvage a great organization. I just happen to think that some
>>>>> approach
>>>>> could have or should have been taken that did not penalize members,
>>>>> many
>>>>> of
>>>>> them being our oldest and/or incapacitated in some way, just because
>>>>> they
>>>>> lack computer and e-mail access. Thank you for your time and
>>>>> consideration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, TNX for mentioning use of .PDF files in QCWA. I agree, the way to
>>>>> go.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dale Svetanoff, WA9ENA
>>>>> VP, Ch 123, and Former Director Ch 2
>>>>> Member #23985
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>>> From: Ken Simpson, W8EK<ExecAdmin at qcwa.org>
>>>>>> To:<svetanoff at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> Cc: W8EK Ken Simpson<W8EK at flham.net>;<qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>> Date: 11/17/2012 4:47:53
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dale,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently neither Ken Oelke nor myself have been able to get the
>>>>>> important point across. That is that the paper Journal would cease
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> exist regardless of what we did. It would either stop because the
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> organization went bankrupt and had to be shut down, or it would
>>>>>> stop
>>>>>> but we would continue with 12 digital issues as we have. Again, I
>>>>>> ask
>>>>>> you -- which would you prefer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Others have the same opinion of the CQ publications special format
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> you do. We plan to use pdf, which should be much better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am getting dozens of private e-mails from people offering to
>>>>>> help.
>>>>>> Most chapters will make certain their members will get the Journal.
>>>>>> Many have 100% of their members with e-mail, so there is no
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>> Others have volunteered to print copies and mail to members who do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> belong to a chapter. The QCWA members have stepped up to help, as
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> knew they would.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To sum up, yes, we did think about things, and basically, all of
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> is happening just as we expected it would.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken, W8EK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken Simpson, W8EK
>>>>>> QCWA Director and Executive Administrator
>>>>>> E-Mail to ExecAdmin at qcwa.org
>>>>>> QCWA Phone (352) 425-1097
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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