[PVRCNC] Fwd: [PVRC] Sending QSD or real RST for bad signals

Nathan Moreschi n4ydunate at gmail.com
Thu Jun 3 11:48:56 EDT 2021 

Key clicks and QRQ mode are two separate issues.

That's a good note about increasing the delay to 12ms. I usually run 15-20
ms of delay when keying the ACOM 2000s at my shack.

73,

Nate/N4YDU

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 9:27 AM Bert via PVRCNC <pvrcnc at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

>
>
> Bruce, N1LN, brought my K3 key clicks to my attention a year or so back.
> He had successfully tackled that problem with his K3/Acom 2000A prior to
> noting my clicks. I also had the K3/Acom 2000A setup. The "fix" was to
> increase the TX "delay" from the default of 8 ms to 12...simple as
> that!Wave shaping in the K3 is factory preset and you can't change it (it's
> plenty good by itself...but when you add an amp, "things" change!)
> There, I've already told you more'n I know.
> 73, Bert N4CW
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: n4cw at aol.com
> To: tshoppa at gmail.com <tshoppa at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2021 9:15 am
> Subject: Re: [PVRC] Sending QSD or real RST for bad signals
>
> Bruce, N1LN, brought my K3 key clicks to my attention a year or so back.
> He had successfully tackled that problem with his K3/Acom 2000A prior to
> noting my clicks. I also had the K3/Acom 2000A setup. The "fix" was to
> increase the TX "delay" from the default of 8 ms to 12...simple as
> that!Wave shaping in the K3 is factory preset and you can't change it (it's
> plenty good by itself...but when you add an amp, "things" change!)
> There, I've already told you more'n I know.
> 73, Bert N4CW
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa at gmail.com>
> To: Nathan Moreschi <n4ydunate at gmail.com>
> Cc: PVRC <pvrc at mailman.qth.net>; Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2021 8:31 am
> Subject: Re: [PVRC] Sending QSD or real RST for bad signals
>
> This is what NN7CW's callsign looked like when he was sending it.
> The abrupt click at every leading edge (it actually sounds much more
> clicky than it looks) was what made me think amp relay sequencing, like a
> full QSK amp relay that wasn't nearly fast enough.
> Certainly is distinctive - the dah is five times longer than the dit. Take
> away the abrupt leading edge and it sounds sorta like K7SS on the bug
> (which is incredibly distinctive everyone knows it's DAN WA from just the
> SS).
>
>
> Tim N3QE
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:34 PM Nathan Moreschi <n4ydunate at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> NN7CW often has choppy CW and he runs around 40 wpm frequently. I believe
> he uses K3s. Maybe he doesn't put the K3 in CW QRQ mode. The CW gets
> erratic on K3s if QRQ mode isn't enabled at high speeds.
> I'm not certain that is the case with newer K3 firmware.
> 73,
> Nate/N4YDU
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 7:12 PM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When I had a problem with my amp's TR relay not closing enough, only the
> first character of the transmission was affected.  Of course, I wasn't
> running QSK
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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>
> On 6/2/2021 5:14 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
> > I think NN7CW was bad amp relay sequencing.
> >
> > There were a LOT more stations with malformed dots and dahs presumably
> > due to remote latency?
> >
> > Tim N3QE
> >
> > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021, Ray Conrad NM2O <nm2o at outlook.com
> > <mailto:nm2o at outlook.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     There have been many comments about bad signals. I didn't hear
> >     K3JO, but there were many others.
> >     I'm not quite sure how some get so wide on CW. Are they over
> >     driving the amp while having clicks?
> >
> >     QSD is "Your keying is defective."
> >
> >     RST of 595 seem right for K3JO. See the linked article.
> >
> >     Key clicks is K after the RST.
> >
> >     Routine reporting of poor signals ought to be quite normal.
> >
> >     I don't hear chirp very often these days.  RST + C. Anyone
> >     remember VP2LAT? They said "chirp so bad that we had almost no
> >     dupes."
> >
> >     Did anyone notice NN7CW? I wonder if the radio was ready to blow.
> >     I can't quite describe his signal.
> >
> >     Two articles:
> >
> >     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-S-T_system
> >     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-S-T_system>
> >     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_code
> >     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_code>
> >
> >
> >     73,
> >     Ray
> >
> >
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