[PVRCNC] Fwd: [PVRC] How to View Winlink Traffic
Ted
tsrwvcomm at aol.com
Wed Jul 17 08:44:36 EDT 2019
This is completely contrived...... they either created signals within the same shack, or on a very nearby antenna, or waited for s9+40 dB type signals with no fading.
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> Then they contrived an experiment such that with zero loss of any bits, and perfect synchronization and many a prior items that would not be known to a listner in general, they could very rarely get a short message decoded.
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> This is Not at all "real world" or typical of a man in the middle trying to copy, and they know it.
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> As I told the FCC last year, ARQ was mostly developed for wireline channels with no fading, where all nodes on the wire know the precise channel state and hear all acknowledgements and transmissions perfectly.
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> Any fading whatsoever, and a single lost bit in the transmission path, obscures the traffic for meaning by a listening 3rd party in these email systems when they use ARQ and Compression.
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> Why 5 messages decoded in 20 years!?
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> Why can't arrl's modem, or anyone else's modem, do what his contrived experiment does?
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> This is Just another attempt to obfuscate, hide from the truth, claim that there is "nothing there to see," and break the part 97 rules for the use of an email system that lets our spectrum be used for ham-to-non-ham email and business use.
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> In short, I hope people see why this is further indication why everyone must write the FCC and ARRL directors today- let them know you want all ham radio data to be openly understandable by others (not in contrived conditions, but in general). Let them know that all ham radio data and operations must be open and that you object to the ham spectrum being used as a common carrier for non ham email.
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> If the advocates of private email in ham radio would go so far to stage such propaganda, how can this to group be entrusted to maintain and provide a "Winlink message viewer?".
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> Without complete transparency in all we do in ham radio, how can the hobby grow and cultivate experimentation and fair use of the spectrum? Please speak out- T U
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> 73 ted N9NB
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> Sent from smartphone, please excuse typos
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>> On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Lee - N2LEE via PVRC <pvrc at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
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>> There was an interesting paper just released by Gordon Gibby, KX4Z on how to "Spy on Winlink".
>> The document demonstrates how to receive Winlink traffic regardless if the protocol is Pactor or any protocol being used.
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>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cBOkmjllUF9GLQuzPFZnxFHWuJszTzgU/view?usp=sharing
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>> Here is a part of the Preface from his paper.
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>> "This is the story of how I apparently become the first person to
>> document how to spy on, or crack a WINLINK mode. As you’ll soon
>> find out, WINLINK is not encrypted, and so there is NO REASON why
>> anyone couldn’t do what I did, or even much better."
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>> Pretty interesting considering the debate surround this topic.
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>> Lee - N2LEE
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:59:49 -0400
>>> From: "Ted Rappaport N9NB" <tsrwvcomm at aol.com>
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>>> VOTE ON EFFECTIVELY ECNRYPTED DATA
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>>> Dear Colleagues:
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>>> There is an important upcoming ARRL board meeting on Friday July 19, 2019?3 days from now.
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>>> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/2019%20Board%20of%20Directors/01%20Agenda%202019%20July%20Board%20Meeting.pdf
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>>> Please spread the word to forums and clubs, and please take a few moments for our wonderful avocation.
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>>> For the first time ever, there may be a vote on ?effectively encrypted? data in ham radio at the ARRL Board meeting- just in a few days!
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>>> You can see what is happening at ARRL and Winlink/ARSFI and what they are telling the FCC! It is quite revealing, and is why you must write ARRL directors today ***before the board meeting** about what you want for the future of ham radio!
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>>> https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/107152292806056
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>>> Although many ARRL directors and hams around the world know that Pactor and other Winlink data signals cannot be decoded over the air by others (no one has reported the W1AW Pactor or other Winlink modes can intercept other Winlink traffic over the air!), some people still ?claim? to the FCC that, through contrived experiments, there is ?nothing there to see?:
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>>> https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1071540521688/FCCCommentJuly2019.pdf
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>>> https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/10715183432187
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>>> After 20 years, the charade continues, even though hams and many ARRL Directors know that this stuff, which is 20 year old technology, cannot be decoded by others over the air, even if you have a Pactor modem or another Winlink sound card.
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>>> https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/1222718116209
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>>> http://www.pactor.com/
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>>> Please write the ARRL DIRECTORS before the board meeting this Friday ? let your voice be heard on what you want for ham radio.
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>>> Let the ARRL Board know that ham radio should be open for all, with all transmitted data readily available for open decoding, for meaning, by any listener over the air. This is the only way our avocation can self-police, ensure transparency in all that happens on our airwaves, ensure emergency assistance when needed, and keep out business and commercial bypass. All of the ARRL director addresses are easily found and pasted into your email at:
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>>> https://wireless-girl.com/ARRL_officers.html (refresh your browser at that page).
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>>> PLEASE, today, urge the ARRL Directors to **end the use of ham radio as a common carrier email system***. Please spread the word to all hams you know, and urge that the current ARRL directors vote for all data to be open and transparent for over-the-air intercept.
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>>> Hopefully, with many , many simple emails to the ARRL Directors: (1) expressing your desire to have them represent our hobby and take actions such that all radio transmissions may be received over the air in an open, transparent way, and (2)protesting the use of ham radio as a pseudo-commercial email system that lets ham radio be used to provide email service to any non-ham and to any business, including spam, without any human oversight of the emails that go out over the air.
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>>> In taking a few minutes out of your day for our hobby, please think how NOT addressing this issue could impact the future of our country, our hobby, and our amateur radio spectrum for the long term. thanks for your interest and for spreading the word before Friday.
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>>> 73 ted n9nb
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>>> From: Ed Kucharski <k3dne at comcast.net>
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>>> Subject: [PVRC] Force 12 C3 For Sale
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>>> I hate to part with this antenna however the space at my new QTH is just not big enough.
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>>> It is a Force 12 C3 tribander. It has been on the ground for the last 15 months and for the last year stored in my garage. It is partially disassembled - I broke down several of the longer elements (by removing the rivets). The boom is still at it's full 18 foot length. I can provide a couple of photos of it sitting in my garage if interested. I have the manual but it is buried either in a box in the garage or at my storage unit in Greenwood SC. When I come across it I will forward to the new owner.
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>>> $300.
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>>> Pick-up at my temporary QTH in Simpsonville, SC.
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>>> 73,
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>>> From: Anthony Brooks <glen.anthony.brooks at gmail.com>
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>>> Subject: [PVRC] SWVA Chapter Meeting Tomorrow!
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>>> Just a reminder that tomorrow evening, there will be a SWVA Chapter PVRC
>>> meeting at 630PM at Jersey Lily's in Salem.
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>>> Hope to see plenty of folks tomorrow night.
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>>> 73 de
>>> Anthony, WM3T
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>>> Subject: [PVRC] FW: 1A0C loud on 7.004 up ~2
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>>> Just running barefoot, I just worked him on the first call. He was
>>> listening up 1. He's 599+ here.
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>>> 73, Bob - W3YY
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