[Premium-Rx] RE: EUROPEAN LIST MEMBERS - and the Premium Radio Thread - Premium-Rx Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31

[AKnott at WTD71.de]

Dear Christine,

you are right. It will not help to ignore a part of the world (and its
receivers[you can see me smile here]). 

Generally out of ANY bigger group of people you will ALWAYS find some who
have good or even very good ideas (how to build receivers). And one can
recognize that there are ways of technical solutions that the industry (out
of financial or whatever reasons) never will go but private amateurs use
this ways.

A definition for a premium receiver has been made some submissions before
but as an european list member I want to define this definition broader and
a little bit more in detail: 

A premium receiver is a high performing receiver, ...

And now three details:

1. ... which means relative to the actual state of the art (of course with
some kind of tolerance) at the time of development or at least at the moment
when the receiver was first given to the first user (usually a customer, but
not in all cases). If special receivers came to (civil or private) users
very late because they have been kept secret, one has to keep the date of
development in mind if one makes the decision whether the receiver is a high
performing receiver.

2. ... regardless whether it has been developed or completely manufactured
by an organisation (govermental, ham club), a company or a private person.
It is not really necessary that the receiver has been sold to a public/civil
or other professional (e.g. governmental, military, naval) customer. The
receiver may be even homemade but shall be existant in reality and no
fiction. At least ONE example has to be there so that there is the
(theoretical) possibility to make some tests to compare its performance with
other receivers.

3. ... regardless of the country where the receiver has been developed or of
the political system or governmental regime. 

One should keep an eye for certain receivers which are not really high
performing but have at least one very special specification which other
"really" high performing receivers do not have. With an addition of several
such partial technologies there may be even better receivers in future. This
should include transceivers as well because they simply have receiving
function.

Of course every member is free to decide for his personal priority which
receiver is most interesting for her/him. Somehow it is up to the european
members to "mix this list up" with questions and discussions about non-US
high performing receivers we (europeans) of course all know more or less.

Christine, let me play the role of the devils attorney now with a VERY
critical question: Perhaps this list is NOT as important to the european
members as one might think? There are really interesting receivers which
have been made in europe (in the former eastern block or scandinavia, just
to name some). If I really look for some information about US receivers I
will ask here using this list but If I want some information about european
receivers, I will ask in the national or even local boards on my side of the
big lake. 

What I feel is that this list is kept less interesting for all members by
"keeping the bandwidth" narrow. Most european or foreign receivers seem to
be "out of band" models here, especially for majority of members, other
members semm to be not really active (let us estimate why). On the other
hand shipping a professional receiver from Europe to the US is relatively
expecive and this financial barrier keeps many european receivers less
attractive. Who will buy my 14kHz-30MHz fully snthezised professional
receiver with mechanical filters and a weight of 20kg for 350 bucks if one
has to add 30% for shipping? So it may take a lot of time before european
receivers spread all over the US as well due to this reason.

A way how to prevent a "small bandwidth" may be to broaden the definition of
"premium receiver" as I did in my example above.

What receivers to take into your list? Just some examples: EKD-100 series,
EKD-300 series and EKD-500 series manufactured by RFT in the former
GDR(german Democratic Republic). Professional receivers from Hagenuk
(RX-1001 series), Debeg, Skanti and so on.

With greetings from Germany

Andreé Knott
DD3LY

P.S.: Please forgive the mistakes I made, english is not my mother tongue.
And I am always happy if I receive some help from this list or any ham or
hobbyist...






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> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:13:31 +0200
> From: christine2001_579 at t-online.de (Christine)
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> Dear European list members,
> 
> thanks  to all of you who replied fast, i cannot reply to anybody direct,
> so
> please take my thank here for the cooperation.
> 
> I  kindly  ask  ALL the other friends in Europe to provide me their
> thoughts
> about what we will have in Europe as "Premium Receivers" or what YOU take
> as
> one!
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Christine
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> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:39:01 +0200
> From: Marc Balmer <marc at msys.ch>
> To: Christine <christine2001_579 at t-online.de>
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> > I  kindly  ask  ALL the other friends in Europe to provide me their
> thoughts
> > about what we will have in Europe as "Premium Receivers" or what YOU
> take as
> > one!
> 
> Rohde & Schwarz comes to my mind, then what about Hammarlund?  Swiss 
> army gear like the SE-430 (not strictly a receiver, it is a transmitter, 
> too).  Telefunken used to manufacture fine commercial receivers as well, 
> we use them a lot on our SW listening posts.
> 
> - Marc HB9SSB
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> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 20:38:02 +0400
> From: "Jean Philippe LEBON" <jean-philippe.lebon at wanadoo.fr>
> To: "Marc Balmer" <marc at msys.ch>,
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> regarding european made rx : we should not forget thomson csf : rs 560 (
> early 70s ) with mecanical display and the trc 394 mid 80 s .
> jean philippe fr1he .
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> From: "Marc Balmer" <marc at msys.ch>
> To: "Christine" <christine2001_579 at t-online.de>
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> >
> > > I  kindly  ask  ALL the other friends in Europe to provide me their
> thoughts
> > > about what we will have in Europe as "Premium Receivers" or what YOU
> take as
> > > one!
> >
> > Rohde & Schwarz comes to my mind, then what about Hammarlund?  Swiss
> > army gear like the SE-430 (not strictly a receiver, it is a transmitter,
> > too).  Telefunken used to manufacture fine commercial receivers as well,
> > we use them a lot on our SW listening posts.
> >
> > - Marc HB9SSB
> >
> >
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