[PaQSO] Re: PaQSO Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13
n3fa at verizon.net
n3fa at verizon.net
Fri Jul 21 20:04:30 EDT 2006
I think digital qso's should not be considered in the party. I believe Doug W3HDH statements were correct reguarding digital QSO's
Bob (N3FA)
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> 1. Further - Club Competition (w3tdf at juno.com)
> 2. Re: Further - Club Competition (Ron Notarius W3WN)
> 3. Further - Club Competition (Richard A Dech)
> 4. Re: Further - Club Competition (Ron Notarius W3WN)
> 5. Re: Further - Club Competition (Jade's Technical Services)
> 6. Rules checks (Mike Coslo)
> 7. Was "Revive Club Award?" digital modes (n3xls at juno.com)
> 8. Re: Rules checks (Goody)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:41:32 -0400
>From: w3tdf at juno.com
>Subject: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>To: paqso at mailman.qth.net
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>For what it's worth, regarding entries by non-club participants;
>
>Part of the Nittany requirements, back then, was that, in order
>to be included in the agregate club score, the entrant must be
>listed on a club roster which had to be submitted each year.
>
>Ray, W3TDF
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:55:29 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>To: paqso at mailman.qth.net
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> <3360184.808711153400129475.JavaMail.root at vms070.mailsrvcs.net>
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>Don't remind me!
>
>Before joining SHARC (now WASH) many moons ago, I was a member of another area club. Just could not get the club secretary to submit the roster to NARC. Since he was interested in contesting, he couldn't be bothered. Probably cost me a sheet or two of wallpaper... and the other 1 - 3 guys in the club who operated in PaQSO so-so @ the time also never had a chance at a certificate either.
>
>Requiring the membership roster is a good idea, it prevents a ringer from artificially increasing a club aggregate score (usually on the lines of "I'm not a member of your/any club, so, since you're my buddies anyway, go ahead and count me in") or from someone less than honorable claiming a fake club membership to win a club from an actual member. But there has to be a better or another way to accomplish the same goal.
>
>73, ron w3wn
>------------------------------
>From: w3tdf at juno.com
>Date: 2006/07/18 Tue PM 10:41:32 CDT
>To: paqso at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>
>For what it's worth, regarding entries by non-club participants;
>
>Part of the Nittany requirements, back then, was that, in order
>to be included in the agregate club score, the entrant must be
>listed on a club roster which had to be submitted each year.
>
>Ray, W3TDF
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>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:06:02 -0400
>From: "Richard A Dech" <ka3mou at enter.net>
>Subject: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>To: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>, <paqso at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <006101c6abfd$42aeb7e0$0000a398 at RICHARD>
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> reply-type=original
>
>Hi,
>
>My name and call sign is: Dick / KA3MOU and I am a member of Delaware-Lehigh
>Amateur Radio Club. I am writing to let you know I remember the time our
>club submitted a club directory for the PA QSO party. Ray / W3TDF use to
>check the club members score and have me send him our current club directory
>so he could send in the club's score along with the club directory to NARC.
>I am very much for sending in a club directory for club scores in the PA QSO
>party. It is ashamed but I feel in today's world there would be cheating
>just to get a club Trophy. I also feel that some hams saying there were
>QRP, were not operating QRP. I done putting my 2 cents in.
>
>Dick / KA3MOU
>ka3mou at arrl.net
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>To: <paqso at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>
>
>> Don't remind me!
>>
>> Before joining SHARC (now WASH) many moons ago, I was a member of another
>> area club. Just could not get the club secretary to submit the roster to
>> NARC. Since he was interested in contesting, he couldn't be bothered.
>> Probably cost me a sheet or two of wallpaper... and the other 1 - 3 guys
>> in the club who operated in PaQSO so-so @ the time also never had a chance
>> at a certificate either.
>>
>> Requiring the membership roster is a good idea, it prevents a ringer from
>> artificially increasing a club aggregate score (usually on the lines of
>> "I'm not a member of your/any club, so, since you're my buddies anyway, go
>> ahead and count me in") or from someone less than honorable claiming a
>> fake club membership to win a club from an actual member. But there has
>> to be a better or another way to accomplish the same goal.
>>
>> 73, ron w3wn
>> ------------------------------
>> From: w3tdf at juno.com
>> Date: 2006/07/18 Tue PM 10:41:32 CDT
>> To: paqso at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>>
>> For what it's worth, regarding entries by non-club participants;
>>
>> Part of the Nittany requirements, back then, was that, in order
>> to be included in the agregate club score, the entrant must be
>> listed on a club roster which had to be submitted each year.
>>
>> Ray, W3TDF
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>------------------------------
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:15:58 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>To: Richard A Dech <ka3mou at enter.net>, Ron Notarius W3WN
> <wn3vaw at verizon.net>, paqso at mailman.qth.net
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>Sorry, I should have been clearer on this:
>
>There should be another way to send in a club roster OTHER than it being submitted from a club Secretary or President, SPECIFICALLY in those cases where that officer declines to do so for whatever reason.
>
>No one should be denied a chance to "win" their club, especially amongst a friendly competition of club members, because someone other than the contesters refused to be bothered.
>
>Alternatives that come to mind would be a submitted copy of a printed roster, a link to a club web site showing a membership roster, a newsletter printing, or something else on the same lines that shows the club membership in such a way that it can be easily verified. AND, it should be done in such a way as to minimize the impact on the log checkers and the Pa QSO Party Committee, they have too much to do as it is.
>
>...
>
>As far as the power level, well, there will always be those who "fudge" the power. It's not right. So how do you stop it?
>
>73, ron w3wn
>
>
>From: Richard A Dech <ka3mou at enter.net>
>Date: 2006/07/20 Thu AM 08:06:02 CDT
>To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>, paqso at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>
>Hi,
>
>My name and call sign is: Dick / KA3MOU and I am a member of Delaware-Lehigh
>Amateur Radio Club. I am writing to let you know I remember the time our
>club submitted a club directory for the PA QSO party. Ray / W3TDF use to
>check the club members score and have me send him our current club directory
>so he could send in the club's score along with the club directory to NARC.
>I am very much for sending in a club directory for club scores in the PA QSO
>party. It is ashamed but I feel in today's world there would be cheating
>just to get a club Trophy. I also feel that some hams saying there were
>QRP, were not operating QRP. I done putting my 2 cents in.
>
>Dick / KA3MOU
>ka3mou at arrl.net
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>To: <paqso at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>
>
>> Don't remind me!
>>
>> Before joining SHARC (now WASH) many moons ago, I was a member of another
>> area club. Just could not get the club secretary to submit the roster to
>> NARC. Since he was interested in contesting, he couldn't be bothered.
>> Probably cost me a sheet or two of wallpaper... and the other 1 - 3 guys
>> in the club who operated in PaQSO so-so @ the time also never had a chance
>> at a certificate either.
>>
>> Requiring the membership roster is a good idea, it prevents a ringer from
>> artificially increasing a club aggregate score (usually on the lines of
>> "I'm not a member of your/any club, so, since you're my buddies anyway, go
>> ahead and count me in") or from someone less than honorable claiming a
>> fake club membership to win a club from an actual member. But there has
>> to be a better or another way to accomplish the same goal.
>>
>> 73, ron w3wn
>> ------------------------------
>> From: w3tdf at juno.com
>> Date: 2006/07/18 Tue PM 10:41:32 CDT
>> To: paqso at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>>
>> For what it's worth, regarding entries by non-club participants;
>>
>> Part of the Nittany requirements, back then, was that, in order
>> to be included in the agregate club score, the entrant must be
>> listed on a club roster which had to be submitted each year.
>>
>> Ray, W3TDF
>> _______________________________________________
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>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:22:38 -0400
>From: "Jade's Technical Services" <kw3u at warwick.net>
>Subject: Re: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>To: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>, "Richard A Dech"
> <ka3mou at enter.net>, <paqso at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <006401c6ac4b$05d04de0$3c67e4d0 at f5b7l2>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Ron:
> oh I see, I was going to tell you there is a problem with your callsign,
>but the e address has it right.
> later, Jim not sure how I am operating this year. went vintage last
>year,
>maybe get some guys in our club to do something besides 2m ht's .
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>To: "Richard A Dech" <ka3mou at enter.net>; "Ron Notarius W3WN"
><wn3vaw at verizon.net>; <paqso at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>
>
>> Sorry, I should have been clearer on this:
>>
>> There should be another way to send in a club roster OTHER than it being
>submitted from a club Secretary or President, SPECIFICALLY in those cases
>where that officer declines to do so for whatever reason.
>>
>> No one should be denied a chance to "win" their club, especially amongst a
>friendly competition of club members, because someone other than the
>contesters refused to be bothered.
>>
>> Alternatives that come to mind would be a submitted copy of a printed
>roster, a link to a club web site showing a membership roster, a newsletter
>printing, or something else on the same lines that shows the club membership
>in such a way that it can be easily verified. AND, it should be done in
>such a way as to minimize the impact on the log checkers and the Pa QSO
>Party Committee, they have too much to do as it is.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> As far as the power level, well, there will always be those who "fudge"
>the power. It's not right. So how do you stop it?
>>
>> 73, ron w3wn
>>
>>
>> From: Richard A Dech <ka3mou at enter.net>
>> Date: 2006/07/20 Thu AM 08:06:02 CDT
>> To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>, paqso at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My name and call sign is: Dick / KA3MOU and I am a member of
>Delaware-Lehigh
>> Amateur Radio Club. I am writing to let you know I remember the time our
>> club submitted a club directory for the PA QSO party. Ray / W3TDF use to
>> check the club members score and have me send him our current club
>directory
>> so he could send in the club's score along with the club directory to
>NARC.
>> I am very much for sending in a club directory for club scores in the PA
>QSO
>> party. It is ashamed but I feel in today's world there would be cheating
>> just to get a club Trophy. I also feel that some hams saying there were
>> QRP, were not operating QRP. I done putting my 2 cents in.
>>
>> Dick / KA3MOU
>> ka3mou at arrl.net
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>> To: <paqso at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>>
>>
>> > Don't remind me!
>> >
>> > Before joining SHARC (now WASH) many moons ago, I was a member of
>another
>> > area club. Just could not get the club secretary to submit the roster
>to
>> > NARC. Since he was interested in contesting, he couldn't be bothered.
>> > Probably cost me a sheet or two of wallpaper... and the other 1 - 3 guys
>> > in the club who operated in PaQSO so-so @ the time also never had a
>chance
>> > at a certificate either.
>> >
>> > Requiring the membership roster is a good idea, it prevents a ringer
>from
>> > artificially increasing a club aggregate score (usually on the lines of
>> > "I'm not a member of your/any club, so, since you're my buddies anyway,
>go
>> > ahead and count me in") or from someone less than honorable claiming a
>> > fake club membership to win a club from an actual member. But there has
>> > to be a better or another way to accomplish the same goal.
>> >
>> > 73, ron w3wn
>> > ------------------------------
>> > From: w3tdf at juno.com
>> > Date: 2006/07/18 Tue PM 10:41:32 CDT
>> > To: paqso at mailman.qth.net
>> > Subject: [PaQSO] Further - Club Competition
>> >
>> > For what it's worth, regarding entries by non-club participants;
>> >
>> > Part of the Nittany requirements, back then, was that, in order
>> > to be included in the agregate club score, the entrant must be
>> > listed on a club roster which had to be submitted each year.
>> >
>> > Ray, W3TDF
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > PaQSO mailing list
>> > PaQSO at mailman.qth.net
>> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/paqso
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > PaQSO mailing list
>> > PaQSO at mailman.qth.net
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>>
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>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:14:50 -0400
>From: Mike Coslo <mjc5 at psu.edu>
>Subject: [PaQSO] Rules checks
>To: "paqso at mailman.qth.net" <paqso at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <44C00E6A.9000804 at psu.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hey all,
>
>In the rules updates I am updating the software vendors.
>
>I have K3CP KA3MOU as first on the list. Is this software that is
>offered? I can't find any reference to a program.
>
>Harry B's software has been removed since he no longer updates it.
>
>KA3JWE http://www.enter.net~donster/
>
>N1MM logger http://pages.cthome.net/n1mm/
>
>NA http://www.datom.contesting.com/CATALOG.HTM
>
>Writelog http://www.writelog.com
>
>EQF Software http://www.eqf-software.com
>
>
> If anyone knows of anyone that I missed - or if a writer notices
>that I missed their log program, let me know here.
>
>
> - 73 de Mike KB3EIA -
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:01:16 GMT
>From: "n3xls at juno.com" <n3xls at juno.com>
>Subject: [PaQSO] Was "Revive Club Award?" digital modes
>To: PaQSO at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID: <20060720.190153.745.3242 at webmail17.lax.untd.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>All,
>
>Besides the club awards, low power levels, no one has answer my
>questions about the digital modes for the contest i would suggest
>there be an activity hour or two for PSK and RTTY since both RTTY and
>PSK are going to count separately there will have to be diff rent
>hours on each one. also what isn't being taken into account is
>propagation on each band. since psk and rtty can be conducted on each
>band, except for 160. And yes fokes people do use PSK on other band
>then 14.070. since had a ham argue with me that there was no other
>activity for PSK other then 20 meters.
>
>I just like to get some thoughts on this because at least with an
>activity hour we can minimize the impact with CW operations and also
>Maximize operating time. since most can all gather at certain times
>for digital operations.
>
>Joe N3XLS team member of N3KAE Wyoming county
>
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:45:10 -0000
>From: "Goody" <k3ng at qrpis.org>
>Subject: Re: [PaQSO] Rules checks
>To: "Mike Coslo" <mjc5 at psu.edu>, <paqso at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <000601c6ac6f$b17e7580$0169a8c0 at pine>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>WB3W offers a good PA QSO logging program http://www.wb3w.net/maqpdown.htm .
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Coslo" <mjc5 at psu.edu>
>To: <paqso at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 23:14
>Subject: [PaQSO] Rules checks
>
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> In the rules updates I am updating the software vendors.
>>
>> I have K3CP KA3MOU as first on the list. Is this software that is
>> offered? I can't find any reference to a program.
>>
>> Harry B's software has been removed since he no longer updates it.
>>
>> KA3JWE http://www.enter.net~donster/
>>
>> N1MM logger http://pages.cthome.net/n1mm/
>>
>> NA http://www.datom.contesting.com/CATALOG.HTM
>>
>> Writelog http://www.writelog.com
>>
>> EQF Software http://www.eqf-software.com
>>
>>
>> If anyone knows of anyone that I missed - or if a writer notices
>> that I missed their log program, let me know here.
>>
>>
>> - 73 de Mike KB3EIA -
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PaQSO mailing list
>> PaQSO at mailman.qth.net
>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/paqso
>>
>
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