[OKDXA] Post on DX-World

Tue Oct 26 14:50:40 EDT 2021

  There is a clone software available for download called WSJT-Z. Google it... It makes no bones about being automated. It can be set up to Call CQ or to Answer CQs. As Coy said, it can run all day making QSOs... The MSHV software can call CQ, do multi streams, and put calling stations in a queue. It can be run in a mode which requires operator intervention when stations quit calling, or in another mode that starts calling CQ when the queue is empty. This is the software that many of the recent African Dxpeditions are using. It seems more popular in Europe. It looks similar to F/H but it doesn't move the Hound. Another clone is JTDX. I'm not familiar with all its capabilities...  
  I'm afraid the horse is already out of the barn. The technology exists. It will likely be used, IS being used. Perhaps some rules or suggestions about un-attended operation would be in order? Enforcement is another thing. It's nearly impossible. You would have a pissing contest just like with the IOTA guy and Dom. And Ham Radio is the loser... 

73,
Jeff - K5WE

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From: okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Webb
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:26 PM
To: n5ok at arrl.net; 'Oklahoma DX Association'
Subject: Re: [OKDXA] Post on DX-World

'Automatic mode' in FT8?  That's a new one.

Tom, WA9AFM/5 

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From: okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N5OK
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:11 PM
To: Oklahoma DX Association
Subject: Re: [OKDXA] Post on DX-World

It is obvious that this guy has an axe to grind.  A lot of misinformation and omissions in his post.

I'll not try to answer his comments because here is where we are going with this.

 Several US stations are running in automatic mode.  They are calling CQ on multiple bands at the same time 24 hours a day.  I won't mention any calls but you can find them by watching PSK Reporter.  I guess they are just maximizing their QSO totals.  Think about this. Set up a station with several rigs running FT8 in automatic mode. Set the antenna's where you think the props will be. Go to work and let them run.  When you come home from work, check to see if you have worked anything worthwhile.

For the dxpedition using automatic operation, I guess we should require them to remain in the country while their equipment is operating and maybe require them to check it once a day to make sure they are not causing unwanted interference.

So this begs the question, do we need operators at all.  Perhaps all we need are engineers to set up the ideal station and then check it periodically to make sure it is running right.  That could be done remotely.  Let's set up these stations on the rarest of entities and let them run so that everyone is on the Honor Roll.

This is obviously a difficult issue and we are not going to solve it here but it is more complicated than saying a monkey can press a key on the keyboard.

Coy

Coy C Day, N5OK
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Union City, OK 73090
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n5ok at arrl.net

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 7:28 AM Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> This is an EXCELLENT piece. It hits nearly all the points I’ve heard 
> discussed. I admit that I fundamentally think the issue of human 
> initiation of computer-to-computer QSOS is silly. As he points out, 
> we’re a technology hobby. Let the technology take us to new 
> experiences. I also agree that there’s benefit: while the digital 
> modes manage the QSOs, humans can manage the truly manual modes, the equipment, and look after the total operation.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> 73 & CU In the Pileups,
>
> Kim N5OP
>
> "People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as long 
> as the music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith
>
> > On Oct 26, 2021, at 5:10 AM, Jeff Martin <jeffk5we at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is an interesting guest editorial by VK4MA posted on DX-World 
> > this morning. He tackles the FT8 automated QSO issue...
> >
> > 73,
> > Jeff - K5WE
> >
> >
> >
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