[OKDXA] 5 Band DXCC

[P Thompson]

Good Job on the 5BDXCC, Roger!  I'm a long way from it myself but maybe
when I retire...  Oh, I am HA!

73,
Paul N5PT

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 6:21 PM Jeff Martin <jeffk5we at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger:
>   Congrats on the 5 Band Plus 3 DXCC! Well done!
>
> 73,
> Jeff - K5WE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Roger Simpson
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 6:02 PM
> To: Oklahoma DX Association
> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] 3D2CR Operation not allowed
>
>
> I don’t think the ARRL has specifically ruled on whether FT8 F/H mode is
> considered as “direct contemporaneous” initiation by both sides of the
> QSO.  However, the de-facto condition is that thousands of QSOs that
> support DXCC credits are using FT8 F/H QSOs. So I guess the horse has
> already left the barn on this one. I have worked a number of “new band mode
> countries” for DXCC credit using FT8 F/H. I was not aware of the “direct
> contemporaneous” rule that evidently dates back a few years. I think FT8
> F/H does meet the “direct contemporaneous” rule because it requires real
> time control by operators at both ends of the QSO. It should be noted that
> even if one or both operations are running remotely they are still
> operating under real time control of an operator. So I think FT8 F/H meets
> the criterion of the ARRL requirement.
>
> I think a plain reading of the need for “direct contemporaneous” operation
> is separate from whether one or both stations are running remotely. I don’t
> know anything about the proposed Rebel Group activation of Bouvet. I don’t
> know what aspect of their proposed operation would not be within the DXCC
> rules.
>
> I am not familiar with customized versions of WSJT-X which might support
> operating style that does not require “direct contemporaneous” operation by
> ops on both sides.
>
> P.S. After working on this for many years I just received my 5 band DXCC
> award with endorsement for 30m, 17m and 12m. I decided to splurge and buy a
> plaque and an endorsement medallion. Both of those together set me back
> $91.00.
>
> 73  Roger    K5RKS
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>
> From: Kim Elmore
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 4:22 PM
> To: okdxa at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] 3D2CR Operation not allowed
>
> I've wondered about this very thing for quite a while. How do we *know*
> if an operation is automated or not? The non-computer modes are harder
> to automate, though I suspect CW would be relatively easy; SSB not so
> much. Automated QSOs been talked about since the 80's in a
> tongue-in-cheek way, but it's now very clearly a reality.
>
> 73,
>
> Kim N5OP
>
>
> On 10/23/2021 4:51 AM, Jeff Martin wrote:
> >  >> From DX News: > 3D2CR Conway Reef IOTA News 23 October 2021 3D2CR
> operation by > Dominik Grzyb from Conway Reef, September 2021 IOTA
> Management > regrets that it will not be able to accept for IOTA credit
> contacts > made with the 3D2CR operation from Conway Reef between 18 and
> 25 > September 2021. Dominik has not been able to show that his FT4/FT8
>  > activity complied with IOTA rule B.3.10 on which clarification was >
> given in a Management News Item on 10 September. At Dominik's request >
> credit will also not be given for a small number of contacts made on >
> SSB. Management wishes to draw IOTA DXpeditioners' attention to its >
> policy of only accepting for IOTA credit contacts that result from >
> contemporaneous direct initiation by the operators on both sides of >
> the contact. Automated contacts, i.e. contacts not initiated and >
> completed personally by both operators at the time of QSO are not >
> acceptable in a programme founded on an ethos of recognising personal >
> operating performance and skill. Team IOTA, 23 October 2021 > > In other
> words, Dom was doing automated mode QSOs on FT4/FT8. IOTA > does not
> allow automated QSOs. Wonder what ARRL position is regarding > automated
> QSOs counting for DXCC? And how would you know if the op > was running
> in automated mode? Would automated but operator monitored > be OK? It
> appears several recent Dxpeditions are using clone software > which may
> have the automated feature rather than WSJT-X... Are they > going to
> throw all of them out? Again, how do you know? Seems like a > losing
> effort to me... If the technology exists it will be used... > Any
> thoughts? > > 73, Jeff - K5WE > >
> ______________________________________________________________
> OKDXA mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/okdxa
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:OKDXA at mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> OKDXA mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/okdxa
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:OKDXA at mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> OKDXA mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/okdxa
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:OKDXA at mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html