[OKDXA] Radios and noise

Steve Duskin sduskin at gmail.com
Fri Jan 27 11:03:06 EST 2017 

Might also check your grounding efforts.  Dad was working to eliminate some noise after
installing his vertical.  He had to drive 3 more grounding rods to decrease the noise
significantly.  The vertical he had setup did not require radials for a ground plane
according to the manufacturer.  But the majority of the noise went away after the extra
rods.

73

-Steve.
NE5SD

-----Original Message-----
From: OKDXA [mailto:okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Geiger
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 9:21 AM
To: Oklahoma DX Association <okdxa at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [OKDXA] Radios and noise

I did go though the house and turned off all circuit breakers except the one the shack
is on. That didn't make a difference. I turned off everything in the shack except for
the power supply for the radio and that didn't affect it either, so it is not coming
from my house, at least.  Wish it was as that is easier to solve

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Steve Duskin <sduskin at gmail.com> wrote:

> What I found in my shack that was causing noise...
> - space heater
> - CFL lights
> - AC to DC power adapters (wall warts) for various pieces of PC and 
> radio gear
> - the 20w LED (AC powered) I was using to light my shack area
> - the ionizer air cleaner on my central air system
> - plasma TV on the other side of the shack wall (in the living room)
> - and finally the family dogs when they want my attention!  :)
>
> 73
>
> -Steve.
> NE5SD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OKDXA [mailto:okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> GARYLM at kiamichiwb.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:18 PM
> To: Oklahoma DX Association <okdxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: okdxa at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] Radios and noise
>
>
> IF YOU HAVE A LAPTOP COMPUTER, AND USE AC TO RUN IT AT YOUR STATION.  
> TRY UNPLUGGING IT
> AND SEE IF NOISE GOES AWAY.   I HAVE A LAPTOP AND IF I PLUG IN THE
> EXTERNAL POWER CARD
> IT RAISES MY NOISE BY 5 OR 6 S-UNITS.  FOUND OUT I COULD NOT USE IT IN 
> SHACK ON EXTERNAL POWER.
> GOOD LUCK  SOME TIMES THESE NOISE SOURCES ARE HARD TO FIND.   I AM IN
> RURAL AREA SO DO
> NOT HAVE MUCH HERE TO WORRY WITH EVEN MY PLASMA TV DOESN'T CAUSE ANY NOISE.
> 73 WQ5R GARY
>
> --- af5cc2 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> From: John Geiger <af5cc2 at gmail.com>
> To: Coy Day <n5ok at arrl.net>, Oklahoma DX Association < 
> okdxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] Radios and noise
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 12:11:53 -0600
>
> I didn't find any noise source in my house today switching on and off 
> circuit breakers.
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Coy Day <n5ok at arrl.net> wrote:
>
> > Also check out any fluorescent lights you might have.  I found that 
> > to be a problem here once.
> >
> > --
> > Coy Day, N5OK
> > 20685 SW 29
> > Union City, OK 73090
> > 405-483-5632
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Geiger wrote:
> > > Hi Bob,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info.  I did listen today during the day on 40m and 
> > > it was still about the same.  Guess it is time to see if it is 
> > > anything in my house causing it. Will probably do that tomorrow 
> > > morning.  I was able to rule out the wireless router and desktop 
> > > computer today, though, as a source of noise.
> > >
> > > 73 John AF5CC
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Robert Redmon 
> > > <k5sm.bob at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> John, I live in a rather (rf) quiet place several miles from town 
> > >> and suffer from very little power line noise and my nearest 
> > >> neighbor is several hundred feet away. The noise you hear on 40 
> > >> meters is not abnormal for times when the band is open. Currently 
> > >> on my dipole at 65' using either my
> > >> K3 or my Flex 5k, the ambient noise on ssb (2.4khz filter) is S5-S6.
> > >> During
> > >> the day, it will fall to much lower levels.
> > >>
> > >> Bob
> > >>
> > >> On 1/23/2017 7:07 PM, John Geiger wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I know if you buy a more expensive radio, you get a receiver 
> > >>> that
> > >>> (usually)
> > >>> has better dynamic range and handles QRM conditions better, 
> > >>> generating less IMD products and blocking when the band gets 
> > >>> full of signals.  Does the same hold true for QRN and electrical crud?
> > >>> I know that some radios have more tools than others, like noise 
> > >>> reduction, notch filters, stuff like that.  Do more expensive 
> > >>> receivers get less affected by RFI and other junk, and by 
> > >>> atmospheric noise?
> > >>>
> > >>> Here is my situation:  I was having some bad powerline noise 
> > >>> from a pole close to my house. The noise blanker in the radio I 
> > >>> have took out the buzz, but I am seeing a S6 noise level on 40m 
> > >>> SSB and on 20m SSB sometimes.
> > >>> I
> > >>> figured some of that came from the line noise, so I didn't think 
> > >>> about doing much until the line noise was fixed first.  Well the 
> > >>> power company came and fixed it today. The buzzing is gone!  The 
> > >>> noise level still is there, though.  I am using a Yaesu FT100D 
> > >>> which has a great noise blanker, and does have AF DSP, but it is 
> > >>> a cheap, mobile type HF/VHF/UHF radio.
> > >>> On
> > >>> 40 meter SSB I see a S5 or S6 noise level when on SSB, and that 
> > >>> is with the preamp off.  On CW it is much less because I put the 
> > >>> 500hz CW filter in line.  20 meters is sometimes the same, but 
> > >>> sometimes on SSB the noise is much lower, which I think is 
> > >>> probably from urban crud. I live in an older neighborhood where 
> > >>> the houses are maybe 8 feet apart, if that much. I am sure many 
> > >>> neighbors have switching power supplies in all sorts of 
> > >>> electronics.
> > >>>
> > >>> So, is this 40 meter noise level pretty typical for most people?
> > >>> Would a more expensive radio like a Kenwood TS590 (which is 
> > >>> supposed to have a great receiver), Yaesu FTDX1200 or Icom 7200 
> > >>> be less affected by these types of noises?  I can't afford much 
> > >>> more than that right now,and would like something that is fairly 
> > >>> small enough to still take mobile or portable from time to time.  
> > >>> I did try a yaesu FT891 which is a mobile sized radio and it was 
> > >>> maybe very slightly better, but not really noticable.  A Ten Tec 
> > >>> Eagle would also be small enough.
> > >>>
> > >>> Is this one of the compromises you have to live with when you 
> > >>> get a smaller radio?
> > >>>
> > >>> 73 John AF5CC
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