[NLRS] Newbie Tips de KA0RYT - VHF wisdom

Marciniak, Ed elmarciniak at mnits.net
Fri Jan 23 09:08:31 EST 2015 

‎I used to live line of sight from RYT. As memory serves, I got more Q's by his presence with some watts than his absence even with receiving him greater than 60 db over S9.

When you hear RYT working someone weak, turn 180 from your bearing to RYT after you work him. The DX will have heard you working RYT from his signal that goes past you.‎ You're closer to the DX than he is.

And hey, don't be bashful about asking RYT to pause for a moment if you're going to turn away from him to do it. If you have a decent front to back ratio, you ARE going to make it hard for him to hear you. Expect to be potentially be stepped on due to the physics of the situation unless everyone works together.

Many years ago, I lacked the wisdom and was frustrated when W0GHZ (Gary) was working a guy in St. Louis, MO on 1296. For what I heard at the time, I was certain there was enough margin to make the Q with the 10 db power disadvantage‎, but I succeeded neither in getting the DX stations attention, or Gary's since I was pointed away from him. My own fault, not his.

‎Operating VHF+ with directional antennae requires you to think about what you're doing with them.


73,
Ed
NB0M (ex KB0MNK)

  Original Message
From: Ronald Bergantzel via NLRS
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:25 PM
To: nlrs at mailman.qth.net
Reply To: Ronald Bergantzel
Cc: ka0ryt1 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [NLRS] Newbie Tips de KA0RYT


Well , it seems that I am getting replies from offending parties referenced below ..... I need to state that NO ONE has directly said to me  that there was a concerned issue with my operating techniques .... I am truly convinced that the limited few whiners and complainers / sore losers were getting a jealousy complex because they were missing out on QSOs due to the lack of not hearing the other stations I was working ( probably due to recv mixer overloading and desensing from urban enviroments or other equip. problems including station optimization  ).....
I am going to pursue other venues of VHF / UHF Microwave DXing , even though I did participate in 10 VHF / UHF contests this year ( only sent in logs for 9 of them - missed the ARI - Italian EME contest DEADLINE - doh !  ) I just don't need the drama here after putting in the efforts ( even though I am extremely resource limited ! ) This is a decision that I have made and will stick to .... Yes , you guys were OK with several  individuals using the calling frequency ALOT  in previous years and many previous contests  but now you decide to pull this intimidation B.S and log manipulation stuff with me !!! Go figure - what's even worse is that most of the "knowledgeable" NLRS  membership stands by and lets you get away with it !!
C U Saturday , Ron KA0RYT EN35
PS - Don't complain about lack of activity when there is no one to help really attract DX operators  attention to look  our way on the bands !! Or  that the above mentioned contest tactics have chased off any newbies .....
--- On Thu, 1/22/15, @gmail.com> wrote:

> From: XXXX  @gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NLRS] Newbie Tips de KA0RYT
> To: "Ronald Bergantzel" <ka0ryt1 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015, 12:02 PM
> Ron, I think you would
> find these problems will disappear if you would
> just keep the majority of your CQ's away
> from 144.200.  I'm far enough
> away
> that it doesn't bother me a lot, but for people in the
> Metro, to
> the north and to the west, there
> are a lot of complaints that you don't
> hear about.
>
> Sorry, but someone needed to say it.
>
> 73,
> XXXX
>
> On 1/22/2015 11:37 AM, Ronald Bergantzel via
> NLRS wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> Doug !! Welcome to the contesting realm here in Minnesota !!
> Well , just 'look around" on and somewhat near the
> advertised calling freqs of 144.200 and 50.125  - I always
> keep my vfo moving and make QSOs from 144.100 to 144.250 on
> 2 meters .....
> > Now to the Good , Bad
> and the Ugly of contesting in Minnesota - : when you get
> comfortable and have an optimized station , THERE WILL BE A
> COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS that will intentionally intimidate you
> here as well as on the air ( including the contest
> spreadsheet ) . I have also  found that these individuals
> have intentionally left out of their logs the QSOs that I
> have had with them to create disparity with my own logs sent
> in ( it is called Log Checking Reports , occurring on
> multiple contests  !! ) .....
> > Doug ,
> just get on and have fun - I will do some CQing on Saturday
> afternoon on 144.205  + / -  and will look for you in
> earnest ( you will hear me from up here in Milaca - EN35
> ).
> > As I close here , I have accepted
> the desperate childish  actions of the jealous few to be a
> compliment to the efficiency of my single yagi station ( If
> the offending stations want to email a formal apology , I
> wont send my Log Checking Report info regarding unsportsman
> like conduct  into the ARRL )....
> > 73s
> !! Ron KA0RYT EN35ct
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Thu, 1/22/15, Douglas E Marsh <douglas.marsh1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >   Subject: [NLRS] Newbie
> Tips
> >   To: NLRS at mailman.qth.net
> >   Date: Thursday, January 22,
> 2015, 10:11 AM
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   I'm planning my first
> stab at a VHF contest this weekend.
> >   Any tips for a little pistol
> (okay maybe squirt gun is more
> >   like it)? I'd just like
> to give a few points away and have
> >   some fun. I've got an
> Icom IF-7000 so 100W on 6m, 50W on 2m
> >   and 35W on 70cm. I've got
> a G5RV on 6m up about 30ft
> >   horizontally polarized and a
> J-pole up about 25ft vertically
> >   polarized for 2m and 70cm.
> >   
> >   Your help is appreciated.
> >   
> >   73 de N8TUT Doug
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