[NLRS] email to arrl.net addys treated as spam -- why?

Thu Oct 23 10:46:50 EDT 2008

Hi all,
Unless it is an arrl staff member every one who has an arrl adress is
arrl.net
73 Matt ka0pqw
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John (JK) Kalenowsky, K9JK" <hamk9jk at ameritech.net>
To: "'NLRS'" <nlrs at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NLRS] email to arrl.net addys treated as spam -- why?


>
>
> Not that I know any MORE but I had a 'bounce' to an arrl.ORG e-mail
> address recently and there was some "explanation" in the message I
> received from "Mail Delivery System"
>
> Z-Spam-Score: 6.1 (++++++)
> Z-Spam-Report: Yes, hits=6.1 required=5.5
>
test=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VERIFIED,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TVD
_SPACE_RATIO
> autolearn=no version=3.2.4
> *  2.1 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals
> * -0.0 DKIM_VERIFIED Domain Keys Identified Mail: signature passes
> *      verification
> *  0.0 DKIM_SIGNED Domain Keys Identified Mail: message has a
> signature
> *  2.2 TVD_SPACE_RATIO BODY: TVD_SPACE_RATIO
> * -1.1 BAYES_05 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 1 to 5%
> *      [score: 0.0115]
> *  2.9 FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK Forged mail pretending to be from MS Outlook
>
> "SUBJ_ ALL_CAPS", I get (and my Subject line indeed WAS all caps). I
> have NO idea what a "TVD_SPACE_RATIO BODY" NOR do I know what
> "FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK" is...though I DID sine the e-mail from "Outlook
> Express" so I'm not AWARE of anything I'm doing to make my mail
> "pretend" to be something it is not.
>
> My guess is that arrl.net has their "shields" up a little higher than
> they need to be...or maybe not. Perhaps there were a lot of complaints
> that "too much" unwanted or unsolicited e-mail was getting through and
> ARRL .net and .org did this on their mail server/forwarder to answer
> those complaints.
>
> 73, JK
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bruce Richardson" <w9fz at w9fz.com>
> To: "'NLRS'" <nlrs at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 00:10
> Subject: RE: [NLRS] email to arrl.net addys treated as spam -- why?
>
>
>
>
> Hi Todd:
>
> You are getting into a mystical box area. Lots of hand
> waving over the box and no one knows for sure what happens.
>
> But, seems to me:
>
> First, ARRL has some sensitivity to more than one addressee.
> Second, once ARRL detects a "foul" based on multiple
> addressees, it may then log that IP address and be
> hypersensitive to that IP address for any subsequent
> attempts.  I've heard that there is a decay algorithm on
> many of these sensitivities.
>
> I am not an IT professional so I don't REALLY know what I'm
> talking about.
>
> I was in a hotel the other night and sent out a single email
> to "many" addressees. From then on, the hotel's own system
> shutdown my outbound email via SMTP (any port--not just 25).
> So my workaround was to go out to the web-based front-end.
>
> Third, ARRL's system has been known to get kinda pissy for
> periods of time. Then complaints roll in and they put their
> IT professional on it to fix it.
>
> So, I'll be interested to see what other replies you get. I
> put this back out to the list just as a discussion
> generator.
>
> 73
> Bruce W9FZ (in Orlando)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Todd
> Sprinkmann
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:56 PM
> > To: nlrs at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [NLRS] email to arrl.net addys treated as spam --
> why?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >    Hello,
> >
> >    This list seems like the place to ask this question, so
> here
> > goes:
> >
> >    I try to send out email touting the SSB nets on 2
> meters
> > to about 35-40 hams in W ILL, IA and S MN that are in my
> > contest logs over time.  I figure most of them are not
> subbed
> > to either the NLRS, BC or SMC reflectors, so they don't
> know
> > there's a net and someone is looking their way.
> >
> >    I enter their collective addys into a group, and then
> send
> > out the email to the whole group.
> >
> >    On the first try, 12 bounced back.  All 12 had ARRL.net
>
> > addys and the reason for the bounce said "This message
> scored
> > 7.4 spam points."  Looked thru my group of 35, and sure
> > enough, there's 12 recipients with ARRL email.  So each
> and
> > every one bounced back to me.  The other 25 or so (which
> are
> > not ARRL email addresses) went through just fine.
> >
> >     Tried a few more times, sending to just the 12 ARRL
> > addys. Nope, they all bounced.  Tried sending in groups of
> 5,
> > nope. Finally I just tried sending to 2 at a time.  Still
> > comes back -- 
> > same message, "This message scored 7.4 spam points."
> >
> >     Anyone care to edumacate me?  Am I just out of luck
> with
> > trying to send any email to someone with an arrl.net
> address?
> >
> >     There must be something I'm missing.  Surely ARRL
> doesn't
> > want to be set this tight?
> >
> >     Thanks in advance for any help,
> >     73,
> >     Todd  KC9BQA
> >
> >
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