[NLRS] email to arrl.net addys treated as spam -- why?

Thu Oct 23 07:40:15 EDT 2008

Not that I know any MORE but I had a 'bounce' to an arrl.ORG e-mail 
address recently and there was some "explanation" in the message I 
received from "Mail Delivery System"

Z-Spam-Score: 6.1 (++++++)
Z-Spam-Report: Yes, hits=6.1 required=5.5 
test=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VERIFIED,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TVD_SPACE_RATIO 
autolearn=no version=3.2.4
*  2.1 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals
* -0.0 DKIM_VERIFIED Domain Keys Identified Mail: signature passes
*      verification
*  0.0 DKIM_SIGNED Domain Keys Identified Mail: message has a 
signature
*  2.2 TVD_SPACE_RATIO BODY: TVD_SPACE_RATIO
* -1.1 BAYES_05 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 1 to 5%
*      [score: 0.0115]
*  2.9 FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK Forged mail pretending to be from MS Outlook

"SUBJ_ ALL_CAPS", I get (and my Subject line indeed WAS all caps). I 
have NO idea what a "TVD_SPACE_RATIO BODY" NOR do I know what 
"FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK" is...though I DID sine the e-mail from "Outlook 
Express" so I'm not AWARE of anything I'm doing to make my mail 
"pretend" to be something it is not.

My guess is that arrl.net has their "shields" up a little higher than 
they need to be...or maybe not. Perhaps there were a lot of complaints 
that "too much" unwanted or unsolicited e-mail was getting through and 
ARRL .net and .org did this on their mail server/forwarder to answer 
those complaints.

73, JK

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Richardson" <w9fz at w9fz.com>
To: "'NLRS'" <nlrs at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 00:10
Subject: RE: [NLRS] email to arrl.net addys treated as spam -- why?

Hi Todd:

You are getting into a mystical box area. Lots of hand
waving over the box and no one knows for sure what happens.

But, seems to me:

First, ARRL has some sensitivity to more than one addressee.
Second, once ARRL detects a "foul" based on multiple
addressees, it may then log that IP address and be
hypersensitive to that IP address for any subsequent
attempts.  I've heard that there is a decay algorithm on
many of these sensitivities.

I am not an IT professional so I don't REALLY know what I'm
talking about.

I was in a hotel the other night and sent out a single email
to "many" addressees. From then on, the hotel's own system
shutdown my outbound email via SMTP (any port--not just 25).
So my workaround was to go out to the web-based front-end.

Third, ARRL's system has been known to get kinda pissy for
periods of time. Then complaints roll in and they put their
IT professional on it to fix it.

So, I'll be interested to see what other replies you get. I
put this back out to the list just as a discussion
generator.

73
Bruce W9FZ (in Orlando)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Todd
Sprinkmann
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:56 PM
> To: nlrs at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [NLRS] email to arrl.net addys treated as spam --
why?
>
>
>
>
>    Hello,
>
>    This list seems like the place to ask this question, so
here
> goes:
>
>    I try to send out email touting the SSB nets on 2
meters
> to about 35-40 hams in W ILL, IA and S MN that are in my
> contest logs over time.  I figure most of them are not
subbed
> to either the NLRS, BC or SMC reflectors, so they don't
know
> there's a net and someone is looking their way.
>
>    I enter their collective addys into a group, and then
send
> out the email to the whole group.
>
>    On the first try, 12 bounced back.  All 12 had ARRL.net

> addys and the reason for the bounce said "This message
scored
> 7.4 spam points."  Looked thru my group of 35, and sure
> enough, there's 12 recipients with ARRL email.  So each
and
> every one bounced back to me.  The other 25 or so (which
are
> not ARRL email addresses) went through just fine.
>
>     Tried a few more times, sending to just the 12 ARRL
> addys. Nope, they all bounced.  Tried sending in groups of
5,
> nope. Finally I just tried sending to 2 at a time.  Still
> comes back -- 
> same message, "This message scored 7.4 spam points."
>
>     Anyone care to edumacate me?  Am I just out of luck
with
> trying to send any email to someone with an arrl.net
address?
>
>     There must be something I'm missing.  Surely ARRL
doesn't
> want to be set this tight?
>
>     Thanks in advance for any help,
>     73,
>     Todd  KC9BQA
>
>
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