[NLRS] RE: [Mw] RE:10GHz liaison Cell Phones

Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:57:04 -0400

==>> Cell phones ARE allowed in the 10GHz and up contest. <<==

The source for my information was ARRL Contest Branch Manager Dan Henderson, N1ND.

John Allen K1AE
[email protected]
978 779-6189

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of Russ Pillsbury
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:53 PM
> To: Donn Baker; John Allen; [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Mw] RE:10GHz liaison (LONG)
> 
> 
> Hi Don. Maybe I got it wrong, but I thought those rules were relaxed for the
> 10 Ghz contest.  I don't have time right now to try to find the info, maybe
> someone else knows...
> 
> Also, It seems that finding out where a station is, so you can point your 2
> meter beam at him to make a sked should be able to be done via any means.
> Since you are not really exchanging contact information, or even sked
> information, what is wrong with looking at a list of stations and where they
> currently are, so you can figure out where to point?
> 
> Now before everyone starts jumping up and down, I am not talking about VHF
> contests, just the 10 Ghz and up cumulative, and day to day rover operations
> (non contest).
> 
> Using APRS to keep track of the rovers is in no way part of actually making
> the QSO.  And the current situation with regards to 10 Ghz rovers is such
> that any real distance attempts are haphazard at best.  When I was operating
> in FN02, even with a KW and a beam on a mountain top. it was almost
> impossible to attract the attention of the New England mountain toppers on 2
> meters because they all point at each other and they all have small
> antennas.  That is great for them, but discourages everyone out of the area.
> If the rules won't allow some better form of liaison communication during
> the contest then maybe the rules need to be changed.  Rules are there for
> fairness, but when they start impeding the ability of stations to
> participate reasonably then something needs to be done.
> 
> 73, Russ K2TXB
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> > Behalf Of Donn Baker
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:20 PM
> > To: John Allen; [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Mw] RE:10GHz liaison (LONG)
> >
> >
> > >Speaking of liason,
> > >
> > >==>> Why not use cell phones (assumeing coverage)?  <<==
> > >
> > >It is allowed during the 10G and up contest.
> > >
> >
> > NO, it isn't.
> >
> > I've been on vacation, and getting caught up (and reading this thread) has
> > been interesting.  There've been a bunch of good ideas passed
> > around.  And,
> > I'm afraid, a couple of stinkers.
> >
> > Hasn't anyone bothered to READ THE RULES ?
> >
> > Quoting from from the ARRL web pages, here are some rules that need to be
> > understood.
> >
> > FROM: General Rules for All ARRL Contests:
> > 1.1 Rules for individual contests or events, including Field Day, take
> > precedence over all General Rules.
> >
> > 1.2 General Rules for HF and VHF contests take precedence over General
> > Rules for all contests.
> >
> > 3.9 Contacts made through repeaters, digipeaters, or gateways are not
> > permitted.
> >
> > 3.9.1 This applies to all forms of active relays or repeaters.
> >
> > 3.10 The use of non-Amateur Radio means of communication (for example,
> > Internet or telephone) to solicit a contact (or contacts) during the
> > contest period is not permitted.
> >
> > FROM: General Rules for ARRL Contest on Bands Above 50 MHz.
> > 1.7 Retransmitting either or both stations, or use of repeater
> > frequencies,
> > is not permitted.
> >
> > 1.7.1 This prohibits the use of all repeater frequencies.
> >
> > 1.7.2 Contest entrants may not transmit on repeaters or repeater
> > frequencies for the purpose of soliciting contacts.
> >
> > FROM: 2002 ARRL 10GHz and Up Cumulative Contest Rules.
> > 5.1 Scheduling contacts is both permissible and encouraged.
> >
> > 7.1 Schedules may be set up by use of the HF calling frequency of 3818 kHz
> > on the evenings of Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday before the contest
> > weekends starting at 7PM local.  Also, 144.230 and 146.55 MHz can be
> > monitored during the contest to arrange schedules with other stations.
> > Paired stations shouild move off these frequencies once contact
> > has been made.
> >
> > 10.Other: See "General Rules for All ARRL Contests" and "Rules for ARRL
> > Contests above 50 MHz" in November 2000 QST or at www.arrl.org/contests
> >
> >
> > There isn't a lot of wiggle-room here, is there ?
> >
> > NO REPEATERS: (no biggie; everyone understands this one);
> > NO TELEPHONE NOR INTERNET; (what about in the VHF contests ?  The General
> > Rules Above 50MHz explicitly prohibit this for Single Operator class, but
> > what about others ?  Isn't it covered in General Rules for All Contests
> > 3.10 ?)
> > NO DIGIPEATERS: (True, you're not making CONTACTS, but you ARE soliciting
> > contacts through a repeater.)
> >
> > All this brings right back to 2m (SSB or FM), or 432, or 1296, etc., and
> > which one's best.  Maybe we just need better PROCEDURES, not a new way.
> >
> > 73 Donn
> > WA2VOI/0
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > DIGIPEATERS  (this makes the APRS proposal a problem);
> >
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