[NLRS] RE: [Mw] RE:10GHz liaison (LONG)

[Russ Pillsbury]

Hi Don. Maybe I got it wrong, but I thought those rules were relaxed for the
10 Ghz contest.  I don't have time right now to try to find the info, maybe
someone else knows...

Also, It seems that finding out where a station is, so you can point your 2
meter beam at him to make a sked should be able to be done via any means.
Since you are not really exchanging contact information, or even sked
information, what is wrong with looking at a list of stations and where they
currently are, so you can figure out where to point?

Now before everyone starts jumping up and down, I am not talking about VHF
contests, just the 10 Ghz and up cumulative, and day to day rover operations
(non contest).

Using APRS to keep track of the rovers is in no way part of actually making
the QSO.  And the current situation with regards to 10 Ghz rovers is such
that any real distance attempts are haphazard at best.  When I was operating
in FN02, even with a KW and a beam on a mountain top. it was almost
impossible to attract the attention of the New England mountain toppers on 2
meters because they all point at each other and they all have small
antennas.  That is great for them, but discourages everyone out of the area.
If the rules won't allow some better form of liaison communication during
the contest then maybe the rules need to be changed.  Rules are there for
fairness, but when they start impeding the ability of stations to
participate reasonably then something needs to be done.

73, Russ K2TXB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: microwave-admin@wa1mba.org [mailto:microwave-admin@wa1mba.org]On
> Behalf Of Donn Baker
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:20 PM
> To: John Allen; microwave@wa1mba.org
> Cc: nlrs@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Mw] RE:10GHz liaison (LONG)
>
>
> >Speaking of liason,
> >
> >==>> Why not use cell phones (assumeing coverage)?  <<==
> >
> >It is allowed during the 10G and up contest.
> >
>
> NO, it isn't.
>
> I've been on vacation, and getting caught up (and reading this thread) has
> been interesting.  There've been a bunch of good ideas passed
> around.  And,
> I'm afraid, a couple of stinkers.
>
> Hasn't anyone bothered to READ THE RULES ?
>
> Quoting from from the ARRL web pages, here are some rules that need to be
> understood.
>
> FROM: General Rules for All ARRL Contests:
> 1.1 Rules for individual contests or events, including Field Day, take
> precedence over all General Rules.
>
> 1.2 General Rules for HF and VHF contests take precedence over General
> Rules for all contests.
>
> 3.9 Contacts made through repeaters, digipeaters, or gateways are not
> permitted.
>
> 3.9.1 This applies to all forms of active relays or repeaters.
>
> 3.10 The use of non-Amateur Radio means of communication (for example,
> Internet or telephone) to solicit a contact (or contacts) during the
> contest period is not permitted.
>
> FROM: General Rules for ARRL Contest on Bands Above 50 MHz.
> 1.7 Retransmitting either or both stations, or use of repeater
> frequencies,
> is not permitted.
>
> 1.7.1 This prohibits the use of all repeater frequencies.
>
> 1.7.2 Contest entrants may not transmit on repeaters or repeater
> frequencies for the purpose of soliciting contacts.
>
> FROM: 2002 ARRL 10GHz and Up Cumulative Contest Rules.
> 5.1 Scheduling contacts is both permissible and encouraged.
>
> 7.1 Schedules may be set up by use of the HF calling frequency of 3818 kHz
> on the evenings of Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday before the contest
> weekends starting at 7PM local.  Also, 144.230 and 146.55 MHz can be
> monitored during the contest to arrange schedules with other stations.
> Paired stations shouild move off these frequencies once contact
> has been made.
>
> 10.Other: See "General Rules for All ARRL Contests" and "Rules for ARRL
> Contests above 50 MHz" in November 2000 QST or at www.arrl.org/contests
>
>
> There isn't a lot of wiggle-room here, is there ?
>
> NO REPEATERS: (no biggie; everyone understands this one);
> NO TELEPHONE NOR INTERNET; (what about in the VHF contests ?  The General
> Rules Above 50MHz explicitly prohibit this for Single Operator class, but
> what about others ?  Isn't it covered in General Rules for All Contests
> 3.10 ?)
> NO DIGIPEATERS: (True, you're not making CONTACTS, but you ARE soliciting
> contacts through a repeater.)
>
> All this brings right back to 2m (SSB or FM), or 432, or 1296, etc., and
> which one's best.  Maybe we just need better PROCEDURES, not a new way.
>
> 73 Donn
> WA2VOI/0
>
>
>
>
> DIGIPEATERS  (this makes the APRS proposal a problem);
>
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