OK, I now have the Ringo Ranger on to of the house here in JC. It's 40-50 feet above the street which is, in turn, 80-some feet above sea level. It should get out pretty good to the south and southwest. I also have a Communicator III that should be work. Let me know if you want to play. Al -- Al Klase - N3FRQ Jersey City, NJ http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/