[NJARC] Asbestos in old radios
jimimaxi2 at comcast.net
jimimaxi2 at comcast.net
Sat Jul 22 11:23:53 EDT 2006
Why don't you contact a company whose business is asbestos removal?
Jim C
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> 1. Re: Re: Asbestos in old radios (john ruccolo)
> 2. Re: Re: Asbestos in old radios (David Sica)
> 3. Re: Re: Asbestos in old radios (john ruccolo)
> 4. Re: Re: Asbestos in old radios (Aaron Hunter)
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:40:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: john ruccolo <jr6v6gt at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Re: Asbestos in old radios
> To: New Jersey Antique Radio Club <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
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> Folks,
>
> I would like to thank everyone -- except Richard Lee
> ;-) -- for their thoughtful replies on this subject.
>
> One concern I have is -- *how* best to paint the
> asbesots? Seems to me the best way is to *brush* paint
> on, rather than spray paint, since it's less likely
> that fibers will be knocked loose. But maybe a very
> light spray paint applied over several coats is better
> than brushing.
>
> The radio is resting comfortably (quarantined) on my
> back porch. Unfortunately, the asbestos is flaking
> away. It's a good thing that I discovered this while
> outside. I'm thinking of returning this radio to the
> Earth's ecosystem. In other words, throwing it out.
>
> I can create enough hazards *myself* while working on
> old radios, without adding carcinogens to the mix.
>
> Later,
>
> JR
>
> --- RICHARD LEE <radiorich at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
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> > Hi John, I agree with the input you received from
> > everyone, but I think you will be alot safer if you
> > encapsulate the asbestos sheet in 3 coats of a good
> > quality lead paint! Yours also in mesothelioma,
> > Rich
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> > 1. Re: Capacitors In Series (john ruccolo)
> > 2. ASBESTOS in old radios -- any suggestions? (john
> > ruccolo)
> > 3. Re: ASBESTOS in old radios -- any suggestions?
> > (Rich's Radios)
> > 4. Re: ASBESTOS in old radios -- any suggestions?
> > (David Sica)
> > 5. Re: ASBESTOS in old radios -- any suggestions?
> > (Al Klase)
> > 6. Re: ASBESTOS in old radios -- any suggestions?
> > (Nick Senker)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:04:16 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: john ruccolo
> > Subject: Re: [NJARC] Capacitors In Series
> > To: New Jersey Antique Radio Club
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> > Phil/Folks,
> >
> > I agree with Ray (surprise!). You have a good
> > voltage
> > safety margin, so the equalizing resistors are not
> > necessary. Also, I suspect that this practice
> > started
> > long ago, when there were wide variations of leakage
> > from cap to cap of the same value. With modern
> > manufacturing technidues, that's not the case -- the
> > caps are relatively uniform. So don't bother with
> > the
> > resistors.
> >
> > JR
> >
> > --- Ray Chase wrote:
> >
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> > > Oops, I said put resistors in series, I meant in
> > > parallel, should not do these things past my
> > > bedtime.
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: john ruccolo
> > Subject: [NJARC] ASBESTOS in old radios -- any
> > suggestions?
> > To: New Jersey Antique Radio Club
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> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > OK, now that we've given capacitors in series a
> > thorough flogging, I have a question for you:
> >
> > Recently, I bought a small late 30's Zenith wood
> > set.
> > The cabinet is a very nice style, but in poor
> > condition. When I pulled the chassis, I was dismayed
> > to find a layer of what appears to be asbestos
> > (glued?) to the wood under the chassis.
> >
> > What is the safest way to stabilize this stuff? I
> > think trying to remove it is a *bad* idea. Is there
> > something I can spray it with to "seal" it and
> > isolate
> > it? Maybe clear polyurethane?
> >
> > Any sugesstions would be appreciated.
> >
> > Yours in mesothelioma,
> >
> > JR
> >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:32:32 +0000
> > From: richs_radios at att.net (Rich's Radios)
> > Subject: Re: [NJARC] ASBESTOS in old radios -- any
> > suggestions?
> > To: New Jersey Antique Radio Club
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <071920061832.13188.44BE7ABF0002A4CE0000338421587667209C01070B0E9DA19C080C079D at a
> tt.net>
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > This topic comes up fairly often on the RAR+P
> > newsgroup - see this recent link;
> >
> >
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/browse_frm/thread/ac6831
> 95c226d8e6/b3895dacceaf867f?lnk=st&q=asbestos+%2B+emerson&rnum=1#b3895dacceaf867
> f
> >
> > In between the barbs there appears to be some good
> > advice...
> >
> > Rich Skoba
> > --
> > Looking for Cornell-Dubilier items...
> >
> > -------------- Original message
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> > From: john ruccolo
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> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > OK, now that we've given capacitors in series a
> > > thorough flogging, I have a question for you:
> > >
> > > Recently, I bought a small late 30's Zenith wood
> > set.
> > > The cabinet is a very nice style, but in poor
> > > condition. When I pulled the chassis, I was
> > dismayed
> > > to find a layer of what appears to be asbestos
> > > (glued?) to the wood under the chassis.
> > >
> > > What is the safest way to stabilize this stuff? I
> > > think trying to remove it is a *bad* idea. Is
> > there
> > > something I can spray it with to "seal" it and
> > isolate
> > > it? Maybe clear polyurethane?
> > >
> > > Any sugesstions would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Yours in mesothelioma,
> > >
> > > JR
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:57:44 -0400
> From: David Sica <davesica at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Re: Asbestos in old radios
> To: njarc at mailman.qth.net
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> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:40:14 -0700 (PDT) john ruccolo <jr6v6gt at yahoo.com>
> writes:
> > One concern I have is -- *how* best to paint the
> > asbesots? Seems to me the best way is to *brush* paint
> > on, rather than spray paint, since it's less likely
> > that fibers will be knocked loose. But maybe a very
> > light spray paint applied over several coats is better
> > than brushing.
>
> Brushing would be the better choice since a brush full of sticky paint is
> going to catch fibers not knock them loose, while a blast from a spray
> can will definitely stir things up!
>
> The key word is "saturate". As long as you saturate the fibers with a
> liquid (paint or plastic) low enough in viscosity to soak in rather than
> coat the surface, the fibers will be prevented from escaping into the
> air. Even just coating the surface will protect you, but this will leave
> an opportunity for future mishandling to free some of the unencapsulated
> fibers inside the coat of paint.
>
> I liked the idea someone suggested about using manifold or stove paint
> for heat resistance!
>
> Don't be so afraid of this stuff that you would throw the radio out, just
> be careful. And your life is half over by now anyway, so what are you
> worrying about? :-)
>
> --Dave
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:09:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: john ruccolo <jr6v6gt at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Re: Asbestos in old radios
> To: New Jersey Antique Radio Club <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <20060721230915.14484.qmail at web36304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Hi Dave/Folks,
>
> Your latest posting reminded me that I forgot to give
> Al Klase credit for his *excellent* idea regarding
> automotive engine/manifold paint or stove/grill paint.
>
> But I'm starting to wonder if this decrepit little $5
> radio is worth all the bother, even though it would be
> very attractive when all restored (meaning refinished
> and reveneered).
>
> Anyway, I enjoyed the discussion.
>
> Thanks again, folks!
>
> Regards,
>
> JR
>
>
>
> --- David Sica <davesica at juno.com> wrote:
>
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> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:40:14 -0700 (PDT) john
> > ruccolo <jr6v6gt at yahoo.com>
> > writes:
> > > One concern I have is -- *how* best to paint the
> > > asbesots? Seems to me the best way is to *brush*
> > paint
> > > on, rather than spray paint, since it's less
> > likely
> > > that fibers will be knocked loose. But maybe a
> > very
> > > light spray paint applied over several coats is
> > better
> > > than brushing.
> >
> > Brushing would be the better choice since a brush
> > full of sticky paint is
> > going to catch fibers not knock them loose, while a
> > blast from a spray
> > can will definitely stir things up!
> >
> > The key word is "saturate". As long as you saturate
> > the fibers with a
> > liquid (paint or plastic) low enough in viscosity to
> > soak in rather than
> > coat the surface, the fibers will be prevented from
> > escaping into the
> > air. Even just coating the surface will protect you,
> > but this will leave
> > an opportunity for future mishandling to free some
> > of the unencapsulated
> > fibers inside the coat of paint.
> >
> > I liked the idea someone suggested about using
> > manifold or stove paint
> > for heat resistance!
> >
> > Don't be so afraid of this stuff that you would
> > throw the radio out, just
> > be careful. And your life is half over by now
> > anyway, so what are you
> > worrying about? :-)
> >
> > --Dave
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:53:22 -0400
> From: Aaron Hunter <ahunter01 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Re: Asbestos in old radios
> To: New Jersey Antique Radio Club <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
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> John,
>
> If you decide to throw it out, throw it my way. I just turned 61 and am
> not worried about getting asbestosis now. My father in law has it from
> installing duct work in commercial buildings. But that's not what is
> killing him, old age is. We don't live forever. I used to play with
> mercury in school as a kid. It hasn't affected me, affected me,
> affected me......... What is the radio, anyway?
>
> Aaron
>
> john ruccolo wrote:
>
> >Visit our web site - See http://www.njarc.org
> >_______________________________________________
> >Folks,
> >
> >I would like to thank everyone -- except Richard Lee
> >;-) -- for their thoughtful replies on this subject.
> >
> >One concern I have is -- *how* best to paint the
> >asbesots? Seems to me the best way is to *brush* paint
> >on, rather than spray paint, since it's less likely
> >that fibers will be knocked loose. But maybe a very
> >light spray paint applied over several coats is better
> >than brushing.
> >
> >The radio is resting comfortably (quarantined) on my
> >back porch. Unfortunately, the asbestos is flaking
> >away. It's a good thing that I discovered this while
> >outside. I'm thinking of returning this radio to the
> >Earth's ecosystem. In other words, throwing it out.
> >
> >I can create enough hazards *myself* while working on
> >old radios, without adding carcinogens to the mix.
> >
> >Later,
> >
> >JR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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