[NCARC] Re: exhibition bldgs

[Ron Klein]

Looks to me like NCARC needs to approach the City of Loveland and tell 
them we'd like to reactivate the McMillan building in 2005 .... and 
remember this at election time!

Ron - W0OSK

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From:           	SCOMIND@aol.com
To:             	flancaster@larimer.org, ncarc@mailman.qth.net
Copies to:      	JHardy@larimer.org, mengemoen@larimer.org
Subject:        	[NCARC] Re: exhibition bldgs
Date sent:      	Wed, 5 May 2004 15:13:36 EDT

> Hi Frank,
> 
> Thank you for checking into this situation, I appreciate it!
> 
> The comments below are my own and not the club's..
> 
> 
> We have a fee ($25) that is for each 'drop' from the ceiling (this will
> feed about 25 booths, and the cost is labor coverage).  Early on (Jan.) we
> implemented 2004 rates that included a $25/booth electrical fee (which we
> based on our research around the state in convention centers and
> fairgrounds).  Upon further review of this situation, we found that
> $25/booth was standard in convention centers, but NOT fairgrounds....so, we
> adjusted it to each 'drop'....this is about 1/10th of the original concept.
> We didn't supply drops in the McMillian building, so this is a new service.
>  There is no charge for using the outlets around the outside walls, just as
> it was at the old fairgrounds.
> 
> Thanks for the clarification. The 2004 Rate Schedule sheet simply says,
> "Electrical for Vendor Booths (Per Day), $25". It doesn't say that one drop
> handles 25 booths, nor does it indicate that wall outlets are included in
> the lease fee.
> 
> Facility fee - this is only for 'ticketed events', which I don't
> believe yours is?  If the event is just for vendors, or free, this
> doesn't apply.  In terms on collecting for the County, if you are
> selling admission tickets, just tell us total # of attendees and it
> applies from there.  This fee is consistent across the campus, including
> the BEC.
> 
> Our event is a ticketed event; we charge both buyers and sellers an 
> admission. But I don't understand this "consistent across the campus" part
> - - isn't the Budweiser Event Center a totally separately-operated island
> within the complex? To further the point, note that tickets purchased at
> the BEC for events within the campus (including those not held at the
> BEC)are subject to an additional handling fee! As one of JD's assistants, I
> can personally attest that some of the draft horse show attendees weren't
> happy when they discovered the tickets they bought at the BEC ticket booth
> a couple of hundred feet away were higher than the tickets at the Ranchway
> ticket booth. So why is there a concern that all events must pony up an
> identical 'facilities charge'?
> 
> I know the catering issue has been a sore spot for some users. 
> Although this is the norm in the industry, it's still a change. 
> We've made several modifications with Ovations and continue to work
> with them to make this work for non-profit groups.  We do allow potluck
> dinners, and food can be brought in for workers/volunteers in certain
> circumstances.  What we don't want to allow is the sale of food to ticket
> holders or attendees to events that goes through a third party and
> by-passes the Ranch.  This is the same at CSU football games, school
> district athletic events, hotel event centers, or even local movie
> theaters.  A big part of making this place pay its own way includes revenue
> from the concessions.  Ovations has invested hundreds of thousands of
> dollars in the facility, saving taxpayers that money and allowing us to
> invest in other improvements to the site.  This includes the 4-H teaching
> kitchen.
> 
> Uh-oh. You're saying the 4-H'ers won't be able to sell to the public out of
> their teaching kitchen? Does Kathay know this?
> 
> I really don't think this is as far off course as you may perceive. 
> I have found Jay very accommodating for groups, and if other staff or
> contractors seem to be an obstacle, he works hard to come to a mutually
> acceptable compromise.
> 
> Jay's a good guy. My problem is with the policies, which aren't made by one
> guy or in a vacuum. The reason we're communicating now is because I hope to
> influence those policies. No worries, that's what an interactive government
> is all about.
> 
>  I'll be interested to hear how the meet goes in comparison to what
> you experienced at the McMillian building.  This is a vastly improved
> facility, with a lot more potential for your group and with much more
> visibility.  Please let me know how it goes, especially how it worked
> for your group financially and if it was able to meet your expectations. If
> it doesn't meet your needs, let's sit down and talk about how we can make
> changes to work better for your group, while still meeting the goals and
> financial requirements of the taxpayers.
> 
> Our attendees are taxpayers, mostly from Northern Colorado, although we
> certainly hope to attract folks from Denver and beyond. I agree that we
> need to get one Superfest under our belt before we'll know all about how
> the facility rates with attendees. Thanks for the invitation, I think we
> definitely should compare notes afterward.
> 
> Regards,
> Bob Schmid
> 
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