[MRIC] Minutes for 4-26-08

Wed Apr 30 00:09:01 EDT 2008

Brett,

As I recall, you made no mention to Pat or Joe advising them to send  
you anything from them for the discussion.

To prevent this from happening in the future I would like to recommend  
that someone other than the chairman take the minutes in the absence  
of the Secretary.  It is my feeling that the chairman should be  
running the meeting and keeping it on track, and that can't e done  
when the chair is also taking the minutes as things get missed.

Dan Blasberg
KA8YPY
Prince George's County RACES RO
Prince George's County ARES EC

On Apr 29, 2008, at 8:24 PM, BrettHam at aol.com wrote:

> Pat,
>
> I did not add your comments about an alternative digital mode at the  
> time I was writing the Winlink plan, because it didn't make any  
> sense to add comments about an unapproved mode, to a document about  
> the mode we just approved. Shortly thereafter I said I would add  
> your comments to the minutes if you like, and I did not receive/hear  
> any subsequent comments from you or Joe with regard to this issue,  
> and I could not recall exactely what you said earlier. If you want  
> me to try to remember what you both said, I will be happy to try,  
> otherwise, please tell me what you want me to add to the minutes and  
> I will do so.
>
> I'm sorry if I did not explain this to your satisfaction in the  
> previous email.
>
> Brett
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wb0egr <wb0egr at comcast.net>
> To: MRIC at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:22 am
> Subject: Re: [MRIC] Minutes for 4-26-08
>
>
> Brett,
>
> That is why both the Baltimore County RO and I specifically  
> requested that you enter into the record our reasons for "not  
> participating" in the Winlink2000 "project". Also, I do not recall  
> your asking either Joe or I to send you our comments so they could  
> be included in the minutes. I only remember your being adament about  
> not including our comments in the Winlink2000 section, but being  
> agreeable to put our voiced comments into the minutes.
> I will send you my comments to be incorporated into the minutes in a  
> timely manner.
>
> 73,
> Pat, wb0egr
>
> brettham at aol.com wrote:
>> Pat,
>>
>> After I said that I would add your comments to the minutes, I did not
> > receive any text from you to be included. If you send it in an  
> email,
>> I will be happy to include your comments in the minutes.
>>
>> Brett
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wb0egr <wb0egr at comcast.net>
>> To: MRIC at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:35 pm
>> Subject: Re: [MRIC] Minutes for 4-26-08
>>
>>
>> Brett, > > At the MRIC Meeting on April 26, 2008, you indicated to
> the group that > you would enter into the minutes the reasons why  
> both the Baltimore > County RO and I stated that we would not be  
> participating in the > Winlink2000 "deployment" should the  
> recommendation be adopted by the > Maryland Emergency Managers  
> Association, and should it ever be funded. > In reading the minutes  
> I do not see any mention made as to why the > Harford and Baltimore  
> County ROs are not planning to either deploy or > participate in the  
> Winlink2000 deployment. Please enter our reasons > into the minutes/ 
> record and resend them to the MRIC members in a > timely manner. > >  
> 73, > Pat Scolla, WB0EGR > Harford County RO & EC > >  
> brettham at aol.com wrote: >> All Maryland RACES Officers: >> >> Please  
> find below the proposed minutes for the MRIC meeting held this > >  
> past Saturday April 26, 2008. Thank you all for attending. We had a  
> > > very good turnout of 17 jurisdictions. >> >> Unfortunately we  
> did not get as much accomplished as we have at > > previous meetings  
> due to the very long debate over motions to reverse > > the actions  
> of the previous meeting, and over quorum. Both of which > > failed  
> to pass. >> >> We also did not complete our review of the  
> "Recommended Amateur Radio > > Capabilities for Maryland  
> Jurisdictions" document, which means that > > jurisdictions  
> implementing new Winlink2000 email capabilities this > > year to  
> support the Maryland RACES Data Network (MRDN) will have no > >  
> guidence material from MRIC. >> >> It was also the first time our  
> meeting ran 30 minutes late. I hope > our > next meeting is more  
> productive. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Brett Hammond >> Chairman, MRIC  
> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------  
> >> >> Maryland RACES Interoperability Committee (MRIC) Meeting  
> Minutes for >> April 26, 2008: >> >> >> James Devilbiss (Frederick)  
> hosted the meeting at the Frederick EOC. > > Thanks James. Also  
> thanks to Fred Bader (Montgomery) for bringing the
>>> projector. >> >> >> The meeting was called to order at 10:30. The
> following ROs (or their >> representative) were in attendance: >> >>  
> Allegany - Bill Tucker >> Anne Arundel - Frank Winner >> Baltimore  
> County - Joe Krysztoforski >> Baltimore City - Lou Linden >>  
> Caroline - >> Carroll - >> Calvert - Les Dickey >> Cecil - Ted  
> Wallace >> Charles - >> Dorchester - >> Frederick - Jim Devilbiss >>  
> Garrett - >> Harford - Pat Scolla >> Howard - John Wilson >> Kent -  
> Bob Lovell >> MEMA - Al FitzSimons >> Montgomery - Fred Bader >>  
> Ocean City >> Prince George’s - Dan Blasberg >> Queen Anne’s - Chuck  
> Hodell >> Somerset - >> St. Mary’s - Ray Brown >> Talbot - Brett  
> Hammond >> Washington - Bob Long >> Wicomico - >> >> The  
> jurisdictions listed above with no name, did not send a > >  
> representative. >> >>  
> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The  
> following agenda was reviewed and approved by unanimous consent, >>  
> without objection: >> >> >> Welcome >> Attendance >> Review Agenda  
> >> Approval of Minutes >> Updated MD RO Contact List >> COMMEX Admin  
> Report >> Update on Yahoo group for file sharing - Fred Bader >>  
> Presentation on when to use 40/60/80-meter bands by Chuck Hodel >>  
> Lunch >> MRDN Network Architecture >> Existing Winlink Equipment and  
> Cost >> MRDN Recommended Equipment List and Cost >> MRDN Technical  
> Support Group - Call for volunteers >> EOC Recommended Equipment  
> List and Cost >> Next Meeting Agenda >> Adjourn >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >>  
> Motion by Pat (Harford) that we vacate (make null and void) the  
> votes > > for Chairman and Winlink2000 recommendations, and any  
> other votes > that > occurred at the January MRIC meeting. >>  
> Seconded by Joe (Baltimore Co). >> >> Roll call vote was taken: >>  
> >> Abstain - Allegany - Bill Tucker >> No - Anne Arundel - Frank  
> Winner >> Yes - Baltimore County - Joe Krysztoforski >> No -  
> Baltimore City - Lou Linden >> No - Calvert - Les Dickey >> Abstain  
> - Cecil - Ted Wallace >> No - Frederick - Jim Devilbiss >> Yes -  
> Harford - Pat Scolla >> No - Howard - John Wilson >> No - Kent - Bob  
> Lovell >> No - MEMA - Al FitzSimons >> No - Montgomery - Fred Bader  
> >> Yes - Prince George’s - Dan Blasberg >> No - Queen Anne’s - Chuck  
> Hodell >> No - St. Mary’s - Ray Brown >> No - Talbot - Brett Hammond  
> >> No - Washington - Bob Long >> >> 12 - No >> 3 - Yes >> 2 -  
> Abstain >> Motion Failed. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >>  
> Motion by Bob Lovell (Kent) to accept the minutes. Seconded by Pat >  
> > (Harford). >> >> Roll call vote was taken: >> >> yes - Allegany -  
> Bill Tucker >> yes - Anne Arundel - Frank Winner >> no - Baltimore  
> County - Joe Krysztoforski >> yes - Baltimore City - Lou Linden >>  
> yes - Calvert - Les Dickey >> yes - Cecil - Ted Wallace >> yes -  
> Frederick - Jim Devilbiss >> no - Harford - Pat Scolla >> yes -  
> Howard - John Wilson >> yes - Kent - Bob Lovell >> yes - MEMA - Al  
> FitzSimons >> yes - Montgomery - Fred Bader >> yes - Prince George’s  
> - Dan Blasberg >> yes - Queen Anne’s - Chuck Hodell >> yes - St.  
> Mary’s - Ray Brown >> yes - Talbot - Brett Hammond >> yes -  
> Washington - Bob Long >> >> 15 Yes >> 2 No >> Motion passed. Minutes  
> are accepted. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Dan  
> (PG) motions that we request the Maryland Emergency Management > >  
> Association to revise our charter to reflect that all  
> interoperability > > issues require a 2/3 vote of a quorum, and that  
> a quorum is defined > as > 2/3 of the average of the attendence of  
> the previous 3 meetings. >> Seconded by Pat (Harford). >> >> A roll  
> call vote was taken: >> >> Abstain - Allegany - Bill Tucker >> Yes -  
> Anne Arundel - Frank Winner >> Yes - Baltimore County - Joe  
> Krysztoforski >> No - Baltimore City - Lou Linden >> No - Calvert -  
> Les Dickey >> No - Cecil - Ted Wallace >> yes - Frederick - Jim  
> Devilbiss >> Yes - Harford - Pat Scolla >> Abstain - Howard - John  
> Wilson >> No - Kent - Bob Lovell >> No - MEMA - Al FitzSimons >> No  
> - Montgomery - Fred Bader >> Yes - Prince George’s - Dan Blasberg >>  
> No - Queen Anne’s - Chuck Hodell >> Yes - St. Mary’s - Ray Brown >>  
> No - Talbot - Brett Hammond >> No - Washington - Bob Long >> >> 6  
> yes >> 9 no >> 2 abstain >> >> Motion failed. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The  
> RACES Officer Contact Info was updated, reviewed and accepted by >>  
> unanimous consent. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Al  
> FitzSimons (MEMA) explained how to properly fill out a > >  
> Communications Exercise (COMMEX) Administrative Report to be sent to  
> > > MEMA following our monthly drills. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Fred  
> Bader (Montgomery) presented and demonstrated the MRIC web site > >  
> he created on Yahoo.com for storing our documents. He agreed to > >  
> distribute the instructions and links via the MRIC email reflector.  
> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >>  
> >> There was some discussion on interference on our 80-meter net > >  
> frequency, so Dan (PG) agreed to look for new 80-meter frequency for  
> > > discussion at our next meeting. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >>  
> Chuck (QA) provided handout material with recommendations on what >  
> > times of day to use which band (40/60/80). Chuck also agreed to >  
> > provide the material in electronic form. Ray (St. Marys) motions  
> to > > accept Chuck's report on propagation with one change: 2KHz to  
> 3KHz. > > Seconded by Ted (Cecil). >> Passed. Unanimous voice vote.  
> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >>  
> >> There was discussion on the network architecture of the Maryland  
> > RACES > Data Network (MRDN) established in the January MRIC  
> meeting, > and that > employes Winlink2000 email. Most jurisdictions  
> present > expressed a > desire to create a local VHF or UHF Winlink  
> network in > their area, > with one or more HF links to provide a  
> fail-safe > Internet connection > outside the affected area during a  
> > communications outage. Harford and > Baltimore counties indicated  
> they > would not be participating. >> >> This information provides  
> guidence or a path to move forward with > > deployment of equipment  
> as manpower and money permits. A more detailed
>>> report will be distributed separately from these minutes. >> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> MRIC  
> discussed the "Recommended Amateur Radio Capabilities for > >  
> Maryland Jurisdictions" document distributed earlier for review.  
> There > > was much discussion and debate about the Appendix  
> providing guidance > > material on what equipment is recommended for  
> Winlink and voice > > operations. The debate was not focused on what  
> equipment to recommend, > > but on whether to recommend specific  
> equipment (or comparable), or > not > to list any specific equipment  
> by name at all. >> >> Motion made by Ted (Cecil) to table discussion  
> on Recommended Amateur >> Radio Capabilities document. Seconded Dan  
> (PG). >> Motion passed by unanimous voice vote. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >>  
> Volunteers were solicited to provide Technical Support to those > >  
> attempting to establish a Winlink station for the MRDN. Dan (PG) and  
> > > Ray (St. Marys) volunteered. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Lou  
> (Baltimore City) motioned to change the November meeting date > from  
> > Nov 15 to Nov 22, 2008. Seconded Dan (PG). >> >> 10 yes. >> 0 no.  
> >> >> Please update your schedules. The November 22, 2008 meeting is  
> > > currently scheduled for QA EOC in Centerville. If you have any >  
> > objections to the location, please express them now. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Pat  
> (Harford) will send email about operating field day from the EOC >>  
> for those interested. >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The  
> following Agenda was proposed by the group for the November MRIC >>  
> meeting: >> >> Discussion on HF net time-of-day per band >>  
> Discussion on HF Net schedule >> Discussion on whether or not to use  
> 60-meters. >> Discuss Recommended Amateur Radio Capabilities  
> document >> Winlink Frequency List - Ray >> 80 meter frequency - Dan  
> >> Elections (nominations via email in advance or at Nov mtg) >>  
> Update Freq list >> 2009 Meeting Schedule >> Discussion on  
> interoperability drills (including simplex) >> >>  
> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Dan  
> (PG) motioned to adjourn, James (Frederick) seconded. Motioned > >  
> passed at 15:30. >> >> -------------- end of minutes ---------------  
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