[MRCA] Proposed M & S Freqs
Lou Ribble
n3od at frontiernet.net
Sun Nov 20 22:22:26 EST 2011
M & S Net Members,
I am opposed to using the new 60 Meter Channel for the M & S net. My reason
for opposing the same is most modern commercial rigs like my FT 817D have
the present 5 60 Meter channels pre-programmed with no way to put the new
channel in the radio without modifying the radio. This in most cases will
void the warranty. These new transceivers with surface mount circuits are so
small that a magnifying glass would be necessary to do the mod.
Lou n3od
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Today's Topics:
1. 60 meter primary frequency change? (Dennis)
2. Re: 60 meter primary frequency change? (JJ)
3. Re: 60 meter primary frequency change? (Dennis)
4. Re: 60 meter primary frequency change? (Mike Morrow)
5. Re: 60 meter primary frequency change? - Federal Register
(Mike Morrow)
6. Re: 60 meter primary frequency change? (Al Klase)
7. Re: 60 meter primary frequency change? (JJ)
8. Re: 60 meter primary frequency change? (WA5CAB at cs.com)
9. Re: 60 meter primary frequency change? (Mike Morrow)
10. Re: 60 meter primary frequency change? (WA5CAB at cs.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:00:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Dennis <spike.dennis at yahoo.com>
Subject: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
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If I understand correctly the new 60 meter channel will have a carrier
frequency of 5357.0 KHz. I wonder if maybe it might be better for us to
shift our primary operations freqs from 5371.5 & 5403.5 to the new one? This
would allow for the full powered use of unmodified PRC-47, as well as the
PRC-74, & SC-130. I know the later can be used there with little effort but
many 1kc increment military radios can't.
?
KB0SFP
HFpack/Milpack Monitor(all USB):
3996, 5403.5, 7296, 14342.5, 18157.5
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:08:46 -0500
From: JJ <jhjesse at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
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But the questions that remain are, is one channel going to be assigned
as a data channel and if so which one? And then, who gets to determine
this? Will current band users have any input?
Jon WS1K
On 11/20/2011 3:00 PM, Dennis wrote:
> If I understand correctly the new 60 meter channel will have a carrier
frequency of 5357.0 KHz. I wonder if maybe it might be better for us to
shift our primary operations freqs from 5371.5& 5403.5 to the new one? This
would allow for the full powered use of unmodified PRC-47, as well as the
PRC-74,& SC-130. I know the later can be used there with little effort but
many 1kc increment military radios can't.
>
>
> KB0SFP
> HFpack/Milpack Monitor(all USB):
> 3996, 5403.5, 7296, 14342.5, 18157.5
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:19:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Dennis <spike.dennis at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
To: JJ <jhjesse at verizon.net>, "MRCA at mailman.qth.net"
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It would appear from the FCC declaration that I read that there is no
designated digital channel. But there are some vague areas that might imply
that such a decision might be reached by the users(I/E ARRL). In theta event
whatever the ARRL should declare could be easily ignored.
?
The FCC notice was dated 18th November & if I read correctly should take
effect in 30 days from that date..
KB0SFP
HFpack/Milpack Monitor(all USB):
3996, 5403.5, 7296, 14342.5, 18157.5
>________________________________
>From: JJ <jhjesse at verizon.net>
>To: MRCA at mailman.qth.net
>Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 3:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
>
>But the questions that remain are, is one channel going to be assigned
>as a data channel and if so which one?? And then, who gets to determine
>this?? Will current band users have any input?
>
>Jon WS1K
>
>On 11/20/2011 3:00 PM, Dennis wrote:
>> If I understand correctly the new 60 meter channel will have a carrier
frequency of 5357.0 KHz. I wonder if maybe it might be better for us to
shift our primary operations freqs from 5371.5&? 5403.5 to the new one? This
would allow for the full powered use of unmodified PRC-47, as well as the
PRC-74,&? SC-130. I know the later can be used there with little effort but
many 1kc increment military radios can't.
>>
>>
>> KB0SFP
>> HFpack/Milpack Monitor(all USB):
>> 3996, 5403.5, 7296, 14342.5, 18157.5
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:45:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
To: JJ <jhjesse at verizon.net>, MRCA at mailman.qth.net
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Jon asked:
> But the questions that remain are, is one channel going to be assigned
> as a data channel and if so which one? And then, who gets to determine
> this? Will current band users have any input?
Here are the applicable excerpts from the new rules, which may be read at
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db1118/FCC-11-1
71A1.pdf
--- START QUOTE ---
Section 97.303 (h)
60 m band: (1) In the 5330.5-5406.4 kHz band (60 m band), amateur stations
may transmit only on the five center frequencies specified in the table
below.
In order to meet this requirement, control operators of stations
transmitting
phone, data, and RTTY emissions (emission designators 2K80J3E, 2K80J2D, and
60H0J2B, respectively) may set the carrier frequency 1.5 kHz below the
center
frequency as specified in the table below. For CW emissions (emission
designator
150HA1A), the carrier frequency is set to the center frequency. Amateur
operators
shall ensure that their emissions do not occupy more than 2.8 kHz centered
on
each of these center frequencies.
60M BAND FREQUENCIES (KHZ)
Carrier Center
5330.5 5332.0
5346.5 5348.0
5357.0 5358.5
5371.5 5373.0
5403.5 5405.0
Section 97.307 (f)
(14) In the 60 m band:
(i) A station may transmit only phone, RTTY, data, and CW emissions using
the emission designators and any additional restrictions that are specified
in the table below (except that the use of a narrower necessary bandwidth
is permitted):
60M BAND EMISSION REQUIREMENTS
Emission type Emission designator Restricted to:
Phone 2K80J3E Upper sideband transmissions (USB)
Data 2K80J2D USB (for example, PACTOR-III)
RTTY 60H0J2B USB (for example, PSK31)
CW 150HA1A Morse telegraphy by means of on-off
keying
--- END QUOTE ---
So...any of the five 60m frequencies may be used for USB phone, USB Data, or
USB RTTY, all sent on a carrier frequency 1.5 kHz below the center
frequency,
or for CW, sent on the center frequency.
No channel is reserved for any particular one of the authorized modes, nor
is
there any implication anywhere that would ever happen.
The effective date is 30 days AFTER PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER
(which
has not yet happened), **NOT** 30 days after November 18! Don't hop on
these
changes BEFORE they take effect.
Mike / KK5F
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:06:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change? - Federal
Register
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I wrote:
> The effective date is 30 days AFTER PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER
(which
> has not yet happened), **NOT** 30 days after November 18! Don't hop on
these
> changes BEFORE they take effect.
If you wish to monitor the Federal Register for publication of the new FCC
rules,
go to:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collection.action?collectionCode=FR&browsePa
th=2011
Mike / KK5F
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:03:48 -0500
From: Al Klase <al at ar88.net>
Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
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Dennis,
My thoughts exactly. I'm going to let the change become official, and
let the dust settle before we move the Moose and Squirrel net, however.
Al
On 11/20/2011 3:00 PM, Dennis wrote:
> If I understand correctly the new 60 meter channel will have a carrier
frequency of 5357.0 KHz. I wonder if maybe it might be better for us to
shift our primary operations freqs from 5371.5& 5403.5 to the new one? This
would allow for the full powered use of unmodified PRC-47, as well as the
PRC-74,& SC-130. I know the later can be used there with little effort but
many 1kc increment military radios can't.
>
>
> KB0SFP
> HFpack/Milpack Monitor(all USB):
> 3996, 5403.5, 7296, 14342.5, 18157.5
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:16:37 -0500
From: JJ <jhjesse at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
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Right. But I was thinking that the ARRL or someone else would implement
a "Gentleman's Agreement" by suggesting one channel for data/CW.
Otherwise it will be mayhem with digital sigs swamping all 5 channels.
Jon WS1K
On 11/20/2011 4:45 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:
> Jon asked:
>
>> But the questions that remain are, is one channel going to be assigned
>> as a data channel and if so which one? And then, who gets to determine
>> this? Will current band users have any input?
> Here are the applicable excerpts from the new rules, which may be read at
>
>
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db1118/FCC-11-1
71A1.pdf
>
> --- START QUOTE ---
> Section 97.303 (h)
> 60 m band: (1) In the 5330.5-5406.4 kHz band (60 m band), amateur stations
> may transmit only on the five center frequencies specified in the table
below.
> In order to meet this requirement, control operators of stations
transmitting
> phone, data, and RTTY emissions (emission designators 2K80J3E, 2K80J2D,
and
> 60H0J2B, respectively) may set the carrier frequency 1.5 kHz below the
center
> frequency as specified in the table below. For CW emissions (emission
designator
> 150HA1A), the carrier frequency is set to the center frequency. Amateur
operators
> shall ensure that their emissions do not occupy more than 2.8 kHz centered
on
> each of these center frequencies.
>
> 60M BAND FREQUENCIES (KHZ)
> Carrier Center
> 5330.5 5332.0
> 5346.5 5348.0
> 5357.0 5358.5
> 5371.5 5373.0
> 5403.5 5405.0
>
> Section 97.307 (f)
> (14) In the 60 m band:
> (i) A station may transmit only phone, RTTY, data, and CW emissions using
> the emission designators and any additional restrictions that are
specified
> in the table below (except that the use of a narrower necessary bandwidth
> is permitted):
>
> 60M BAND EMISSION REQUIREMENTS
> Emission type Emission designator Restricted to:
> Phone 2K80J3E Upper sideband transmissions (USB)
> Data 2K80J2D USB (for example, PACTOR-III)
> RTTY 60H0J2B USB (for example, PSK31)
> CW 150HA1A Morse telegraphy by means of on-off
keying
> --- END QUOTE ---
>
> So...any of the five 60m frequencies may be used for USB phone, USB Data,
or
> USB RTTY, all sent on a carrier frequency 1.5 kHz below the center
frequency,
> or for CW, sent on the center frequency.
>
> No channel is reserved for any particular one of the authorized modes, nor
is
> there any implication anywhere that would ever happen.
>
> The effective date is 30 days AFTER PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER
(which
> has not yet happened), **NOT** 30 days after November 18! Don't hop on
these
> changes BEFORE they take effect.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:37 -0500 (EST)
From: WA5CAB at cs.com
Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
To: MRCA at mailman.qth.net
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Several pages deep in the current NRM the FCC states that all changes will
apply to all six channels.
In a message dated 11/20/2011 15:09:08 PM Central Standard Time,
jhjesse at verizon.net writes:
> But the questions that remain are, is one channel going to be assigned
> as a data channel and if so which one? And then, who gets to determine
> this? Will current band users have any input?
>
> Jon WS1K
>
> On 11/20/2011 3:00 PM, Dennis wrote:
> >If I understand correctly the new 60 meter channel will have a carrier
> frequency of 5357.0 KHz. I wonder if maybe it might be better for us to
shift
> our primary operations freqs from 5371.5& 5403.5 to the new one? This
> would allow for the full powered use of unmodified PRC-47, as well as the
> PRC-74,& SC-130. I know the later can be used there with little effort
but
> many 1kc increment military radios can't.
>
Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:43:58 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
To: MRCA at mailman.qth.net
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>Several pages deep in the current NRM the FCC states that all changes will
>apply to all six channels.
Five channels. They add one (5358.5), and remove one (5368.0) (center
frequencies).
Mike / KK5F
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:52:00 -0500 (EST)
From: WA5CAB at cs.com
Subject: Re: [MRCA] 60 meter primary frequency change?
To: MRCA at mailman.qth.net
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Right. That's my Senior Moment for the day.
In a message dated 11/20/2011 18:44:11 PM Central Standard Time,
kk5f at earthlink.net writes:
> >Several pages deep in the current NRM the FCC states that all changes
> will
> >apply to all six channels.
>
> Five channels. They add one (5358.5), and remove one (5368.0) (center
> frequencies).
>
> Mike / KK5F
Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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