[Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 209, Issue 24
James Barrie
barrie43 at gmail.com
Fri Sep 24 17:46:20 EDT 2021
Enough with the Facebook rants. Take them to another site. Back to radios.
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> 1. Re: Dwindling resource (Mike Morrow)
> 2. Some thoughts about Facebook (Hubert Miller)
> 3. Re: Some thoughts about Facebook (Gordon Smith)
> 4. Re: Some thoughts about Facebook (jphutch60bj)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 16:08:10 +0000
> From: Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net>
> To: Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Dwindling resource
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> IMO, the greatest loss of interesting radio signals occurred in July 1999
> when the maritime radiotelegraphy band from 410 to 520 kHz essentially
> vanished.? That was the most interesting 110 kHz in the LF/MF/HF realm.? I
> started listening to it in junior high on a BC-453-A.
> ?
> For many years I've had one of the best military surplus VLF/LF/MF
> receivers ever made...the AN/WRR-3B.? ?I saw that model used on USS
> Intrepid in 1971 to keep watch on 500 kHz, and we had one on board my?SSBN
> 45 years ago.? I can't remember the last time I plugged it in. ?For many
> years until 1999 I kept a Kenwood R-600 bedside at night on 500 kHz.
> ?
> Unlike 50 years ago, surviving NDBs no longer contain voice broadcasts of
> terminal information and weather.? All navigation eggs are in the GPS
> basket.? Are aviation ADFs even made anymore?
> ?
> I miss those good old days.? FT-8???? What humbug!
> ?
> Mike / KK5F
> ?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CL in NC
> Sent: Sep 22, 2021 8:09 AM
> To: Milsurplus
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Dwindling resource
>
> The info on receiving with the R390 in the VLF band I appreciate. I have a
> tuner to try with mine that I built years ago that is identical to the HA
> 10 circuit wise, as the SX117 had a jack on the back to bypass the RF amp
> and go direct to the mixer for VLF, but you needed extra crystals for the
> lower band that plugged into the receiver.
> ?
> Technology moves on, not necessarily for the good of safety but for the
> 'modern is better' approach. The FAA is in a full blown effort to shut down
> every government owned or maintained NDB/LOM site they can, with maybe a
> couple left in the upper Midwest like ND, and Alaska for the time being.
> There are still many located in other countries though, not sure of their
> plans. GPS has supplanted the simplicity of the RDF, even thought to
> actually need to locate where your are when you have no clue with an RDF in
> an aircraft is quite involved as to flying a certain pattern. Anyway, the
> FAA had hopes of putting everything in the GPS basket, but there have been
> some big hiccups along the way. One biggie was reflection off water on an
> instrument approach, where the glide slope signal would come and go or
> vary, the AF's higher power satellites did not help that at all. The also
> decided to leave quite a few VOR's on the air after considering the attack
> scenario on the satellite sy
> stem which would render all airnav blind.
> ?
> Many local airports and counties have maintained their NDB's that we can
> still enjoy DX'ing, it is still the simplest most bullet proof way to find
> an airport you are heading to except for looking out the window and knowing
> your surroundings. There are even places that are still installing them.
> Most are low power though, 25-50 watts, with minimal antennas, a 25 to 50
> ft vertical wire with a 25 to 50 ft single wire cap hat. Funny though, I
> had an LOM in Greenville, SC that was 50 watts to a 50ft wire and 50ft cap
> hat right along side the highway. I got more SWL reports off of that one
> than either the 400 watter at Spartanburg with a 250 ft vertical and
> massive counterpoise, or Greer, with 400 watts and a 100ft vertical wire
> and 3 wire 100ft cap hat.
> ?
> One of the best resources for interesting BC and VLF band tuning devices
> and antennas, including passive null tuners to eliminate signals on top of
> the ones of interest, is the National Radio Clu. They have quite a few
> publications devoted to nothing but stuff below 1.710MC, with occasional
> foray into HF crystal sets.
> ?
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
> ?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 20:37:27 +0000
> From: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
> To: "milsurplus at mailman.qth.net" <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>,
> "main at Army-Radios.groups.io" <main at Army-Radios.groups.io>,
> "nwvrs at googlegroups.com" <nwvrs at googlegroups.com>,
> "psara_seattle at googlegroups.com" <psara_seattle at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Some thoughts about Facebook
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> I joined Facebook so I could have access to some groups. I joined 5 groups
> focused on military or ham radio.
> Another thing that pushed me past my reservations was I found a group for
> aficionados of a particular South
> American song style. After I joined up, I also did a search and looked at
> the page of an ex, and I was very
> pleased to see that things turned out well for her.
> Anyway, to Facebook. I am actually quite disappointed. I thought, FBs
> designers and engineers became
> multimillionaires and billionaires, and they couldn't do better than this?
> You the customer, do get a "poor
> man's webpage", with minimal effort on your part. You get a simplistic
> service matched to personalities
> types that are young and uncomplicated. You can enter, for your "about"
> data, that your hobbies are
> "making electronics", that's as precise as it gets. And I assume, maybe
> the hobby of cat photos, or photos
> of your meals. On the groups, the area for actual posting is squeezed down
> to a portion of the screen. I
> don't get that. I posted some of this comment on the FB page for one
> military radio group, and I expected
> to be flamed for it. Instead, I see a couple comments more or less
> agreeing with me. "It's all we have". I
> also mentioned my opinions to Takashi Doi, who recently started a FB group
> on "Japanese Military Radios",
> and he agrees, and replies, "It's not for us, it's for young people".
> Maybe so.
>
> I don't totally reject FB, though. I think it actually may be useful as a
> recruiting tool. We all want to recruit
> the new generation to our swell hobbies. FB is not ideal, but it's out
> there; it's what they like to use, are
> used to using. FB may get these swell hobbies out there in front of their
> eyes.
> -Hue Miller
> Newport, Oregon
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 14:31:56 -0700
> From: Gordon Smith <gfsmith at cox.net>
> To: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>, "milsurplus at mailman.qth.net"
> <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>, "main at Army-Radios.groups.io"
> <main at Army-Radios.groups.io>, "nwvrs at googlegroups.com"
> <nwvrs at googlegroups.com>, "psara_seattle at googlegroups.com"
> <psara_seattle at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Some thoughts about Facebook
> Message-ID: <mailman.9460.1632444828.3287.milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
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>
> Facebook exists for one reason and one reason only. To get
> information about you and to sell that information to outside 3rd
> parties. And to get that information Facebook will try and do
> anything to entice you to join and stay connected 24/7 or as much as
> they can. I frequent a Computer Nerds website called "slashdot.org".
> They have, over the many years that Facebook has been in existence,
> highlighted just how insidious Facebook has become, the damage it
> does (here are just two stories in the last month:
>
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/18/0317223/wsj-facebooks-2018-algorithm-change-rewarded-outrage-zuck-resisted-fixes
> and
>
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/14/1911252/facebooks-own-research-shows-instagram-is-harmful-to-teens-report-says
> ) and just what a piece of cr*p the owner is. If you care about your
> children, just say "no" to Facebook for them. At the very minimum,
> please teach them how to think and not just accept the drivel that
> Facebook presents to them. And in case your wondering, I don't like
> them or any company built on their business model. I think that
> companies like them help drive wedges between people and are part of
> the reason (not all, but part) we have such polarization today.
>
> End of Rant. BTW, Many former Yahoo groups have moved over to
> Groups.io and I can highly recommend it.
>
> 73, Gordon KJ6IKT
>
> At 01:37 PM 9/23/2021, Hubert Miller wrote:
> >I joined Facebook so I could have access to some groups. I joined 5
> >groups focused on military or ham radio.
> >Another thing that pushed me past my reservations was I found a
> >group for aficionados of a particular South
> >American song style. After I joined up, I also did a search and
> >looked at the page of an ex, and I was very
> >pleased to see that things turned out well for her.
> >Anyway, to Facebook. I am actually quite disappointed. I thought,
> >FBs designers and engineers became
> >multimillionaires and billionaires, and they couldn't do better than
> >this? You the customer, do get a "poor
> >man's webpage", with minimal effort on your part. You get a
> >simplistic service matched to personalities
> >types that are young and uncomplicated. You can enter, for your
> >"about" data, that your hobbies are
> >"making electronics", that's as precise as it gets. And I assume,
> >maybe the hobby of cat photos, or photos
> >of your meals. On the groups, the area for actual posting is
> >squeezed down to a portion of the screen. I
> >don't get that. I posted some of this comment on the FB page for one
> >military radio group, and I expected
> >to be flamed for it. Instead, I see a couple comments more or less
> >agreeing with me. "It's all we have". I
> >also mentioned my opinions to Takashi Doi, who recently started a FB
> >group on "Japanese Military Radios",
> >and he agrees, and replies, "It's not for us, it's for young
> >people". Maybe so.
> >
> >I don't totally reject FB, though. I think it actually may be useful
> >as a recruiting tool. We all want to recruit
> >the new generation to our swell hobbies. FB is not ideal, but it's
> >out there; it's what they like to use, are
> >used to using. FB may get these swell hobbies out there in front of
> >their eyes.
> >-Hue Miller
> >Newport, Oregon
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:52:38 -0500
> From: jphutch60bj <jphutch60bj at gmail.com>
> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Some thoughts about Facebook
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> Face plant -? sorry book.
>
> It was a simple means to hookup with another half so to speak. Also eave
> comments good or bad about the days activities with new "friend".??? All
> this around a 15 second attention span, then next, scrolling with the
> thumb....? sipping a beer.... ?-}
>
> my 2 cents
>
> On 9/23/2021 4:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > Facebook exists for one reason and one reason only. To get information
> > about you and to sell that information to outside 3rd parties. And to
> > get that information Facebook will try and do anything to entice you
> > to join and stay connected 24/7 or as much as they can. I frequent a
> > Computer Nerds website called "slashdot.org". They have, over the many
> > years that Facebook has been in existence, highlighted just how
> > insidious Facebook has become, the damage it does (here are just two
> > stories in the last month:
> >
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/18/0317223/wsj-facebooks-2018-algorithm-change-rewarded-outrage-zuck-resisted-fixes
> > and
> >
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/14/1911252/facebooks-own-research-shows-instagram-is-harmful-to-teens-report-says
> > ) and just what a piece of cr*p the owner is. If you care about your
> > children, just say "no" to Facebook for them. At the very minimum,
> > please teach them how to think and not just accept the drivel that
> > Facebook presents to them. And in case your wondering, I don't like
> > them or any company built on their business model. I think that
> > companies like them help drive wedges between people and are part of
> > the reason (not all, but part) we have such polarization today.
> >
> > End of Rant. BTW, Many former Yahoo groups have moved over to
> > Groups.io and I can highly recommend it.
> >
> > 73, Gordon KJ6IKT
> >
> > At 01:37 PM 9/23/2021, Hubert Miller wrote:
> >> I joined Facebook so I could have access to some groups. I joined 5
> >> groups focused on military or ham radio.
> >> Another thing that pushed me past my reservations was I found a group
> >> for aficionados of a particular South
> >> American song style. After I joined up, I also did a search and
> >> looked at the page of an ex, and I was very
> >> pleased to see that things turned out well for her.
> >> Anyway, to Facebook. I am actually quite disappointed. I thought, FBs
> >> designers and engineers became
> >> multimillionaires and billionaires, and they couldn't do better than
> >> this? You the customer, do get a "poor
> >> man's webpage", with minimal effort on your part. You get a
> >> simplistic service matched to personalities
> >> types that are young and uncomplicated. You can enter, for your
> >> "about" data, that your hobbies are
> >> "making electronics", that's as precise as it gets. And I assume,
> >> maybe the hobby of cat photos, or photos
> >> of your meals. On the groups, the area for actual posting is squeezed
> >> down to a portion of the screen. I
> >> don't get that. I posted some of this comment on the FB page for one
> >> military radio group, and I expected
> >> to be flamed for it. Instead, I see a couple comments more or less
> >> agreeing with me. "It's all we have".? I
> >> also mentioned my opinions to Takashi Doi, who recently started a FB
> >> group on "Japanese Military Radios",
> >> and he agrees, and replies, "It's not for us, it's for young people".
> >> Maybe so.
> >>
> >> I don't totally reject FB, though. I think it actually may be useful
> >> as a recruiting tool. We all want to recruit
> >> the new generation to our swell hobbies. FB is not ideal, but it's
> >> out there; it's what they like to use, are
> >> used to using. FB may get these swell hobbies out there in front? of
> >> their eyes.
> >> -Hue Miller
> >> Newport, Oregon
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