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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Dwindling resource (Mike Morrow)
2. Some thoughts about Facebook (Hubert Miller)
3. Re: Some thoughts about Facebook (Gordon Smith)
4. Re: Some thoughts about Facebook (jphutch60bj)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 16:08:10 +0000
From: Mike Morrow <kk5f@earthlink.net>
To: Milsurplus <milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Dwindling resource
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IMO, the greatest loss of interesting radio signals occurred in July 1999 when the maritime radiotelegraphy band from 410 to 520 kHz essentially vanished.? That was the most interesting 110 kHz in the LF/MF/HF realm.? I started listening to it in junior high on a BC-453-A.
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For many years I've had one of the best military surplus VLF/LF/MF receivers ever made...the AN/WRR-3B.? ?I saw that model used on USS Intrepid in 1971 to keep watch on 500 kHz, and we had one on board my?SSBN 45 years ago.? I can't remember the last time I plugged it in. ?For many years until 1999 I kept a Kenwood R-600 bedside at night on 500 kHz.
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Unlike 50 years ago, surviving NDBs no longer contain voice broadcasts of terminal information and weather.? All navigation eggs are in the GPS basket.? Are aviation ADFs even made anymore?
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I miss those good old days.? FT-8???? What humbug!
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Mike / KK5F
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-----Original Message-----
From: CL in NC
Sent: Sep 22, 2021 8:09 AM
To: Milsurplus
Subject: [Milsurplus] Dwindling resource
The info on receiving with the R390 in the VLF band I appreciate. I have a tuner to try with mine that I built years ago that is identical to the HA 10 circuit wise, as the SX117 had a jack on the back to bypass the RF amp and go direct to the mixer for VLF, but you needed extra crystals for the lower band that plugged into the receiver.
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Technology moves on, not necessarily for the good of safety but for the 'modern is better' approach. The FAA is in a full blown effort to shut down every government owned or maintained NDB/LOM site they can, with maybe a couple left in the upper Midwest like ND, and Alaska for the time being. There are still many located in other countries though, not sure of their plans. GPS has supplanted the simplicity of the RDF, even thought to actually need to locate where your are when you have no clue with an RDF in an aircraft is quite involved as to flying a certain pattern. Anyway, the FAA had hopes of putting everything in the GPS basket, but there have been some big hiccups along the way. One biggie was reflection off water on an instrument approach, where the glide slope signal would come and go or vary, the AF's higher power satellites did not help that at all. The also decided to leave quite a few VOR's on the air after considering the attack scenario on the satellite sy
stem which would render all airnav blind.
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Many local airports and counties have maintained their NDB's that we can still enjoy DX'ing, it is still the simplest most bullet proof way to find an airport you are heading to except for looking out the window and knowing your surroundings. There are even places that are still installing them. Most are low power though, 25-50 watts, with minimal antennas, a 25 to 50 ft vertical wire with a 25 to 50 ft single wire cap hat. Funny though, I had an LOM in Greenville, SC that was 50 watts to a 50ft wire and 50ft cap hat right along side the highway. I got more SWL reports off of that one than either the 400 watter at Spartanburg with a 250 ft vertical and massive counterpoise, or Greer, with 400 watts and a 100ft vertical wire and 3 wire 100ft cap hat.
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One of the best resources for interesting BC and VLF band tuning devices and antennas, including passive null tuners to eliminate signals on top of the ones of interest, is the National Radio Clu. They have quite a few publications devoted to nothing but stuff below 1.710MC, with occasional foray into HF crystal sets.
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Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 20:37:27 +0000
From: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult@msn.com>
To: "milsurplus@mailman.qth.net" <milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>,
"main@Army-Radios.groups.io" <main@Army-Radios.groups.io>,
"nwvrs@googlegroups.com" <nwvrs@googlegroups.com>,
"psara_seattle@googlegroups.com" <psara_seattle@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Milsurplus] Some thoughts about Facebook
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I joined Facebook so I could have access to some groups. I joined 5 groups focused on military or ham radio.
Another thing that pushed me past my reservations was I found a group for aficionados of a particular South
American song style. After I joined up, I also did a search and looked at the page of an ex, and I was very
pleased to see that things turned out well for her.
Anyway, to Facebook. I am actually quite disappointed. I thought, FBs designers and engineers became
multimillionaires and billionaires, and they couldn't do better than this? You the customer, do get a "poor
man's webpage", with minimal effort on your part. You get a simplistic service matched to personalities
types that are young and uncomplicated. You can enter, for your "about" data, that your hobbies are
"making electronics", that's as precise as it gets. And I assume, maybe the hobby of cat photos, or photos
of your meals. On the groups, the area for actual posting is squeezed down to a portion of the screen. I
don't get that. I posted some of this comment on the FB page for one military radio group, and I expected
to be flamed for it. Instead, I see a couple comments more or less agreeing with me. "It's all we have". I
also mentioned my opinions to Takashi Doi, who recently started a FB group on "Japanese Military Radios",
and he agrees, and replies, "It's not for us, it's for young people". Maybe so.
I don't totally reject FB, though. I think it actually may be useful as a recruiting tool. We all want to recruit
the new generation to our swell hobbies. FB is not ideal, but it's out there; it's what they like to use, are
used to using. FB may get these swell hobbies out there in front of their eyes.
-Hue Miller
Newport, Oregon
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 14:31:56 -0700
From: Gordon Smith <gfsmith@cox.net>
To: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult@msn.com>, "milsurplus@mailman.qth.net"
<milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>, "main@Army-Radios.groups.io"
<main@Army-Radios.groups.io>, "nwvrs@googlegroups.com"
<nwvrs@googlegroups.com>, "psara_seattle@googlegroups.com"
<psara_seattle@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Some thoughts about Facebook
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Facebook exists for one reason and one reason only. To get
information about you and to sell that information to outside 3rd
parties. And to get that information Facebook will try and do
anything to entice you to join and stay connected 24/7 or as much as
they can. I frequent a Computer Nerds website called "slashdot.org".
They have, over the many years that Facebook has been in existence,
highlighted just how insidious Facebook has become, the damage it
does (here are just two stories in the last month:
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/18/0317223/wsj-facebooks-2018-algorithm-change-rewarded-outrage-zuck-resisted-fixes
and
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/14/1911252/facebooks-own-research-shows-instagram-is-harmful-to-teens-report-says
) and just what a piece of cr*p the owner is. If you care about your
children, just say "no" to Facebook for them. At the very minimum,
please teach them how to think and not just accept the drivel that
Facebook presents to them. And in case your wondering, I don't like
them or any company built on their business model. I think that
companies like them help drive wedges between people and are part of
the reason (not all, but part) we have such polarization today.
End of Rant. BTW, Many former Yahoo groups have moved over to
Groups.io and I can highly recommend it.
73, Gordon KJ6IKT
At 01:37 PM 9/23/2021, Hubert Miller wrote:
>I joined Facebook so I could have access to some groups. I joined 5
>groups focused on military or ham radio.
>Another thing that pushed me past my reservations was I found a
>group for aficionados of a particular South
>American song style. After I joined up, I also did a search and
>looked at the page of an ex, and I was very
>pleased to see that things turned out well for her.
>Anyway, to Facebook. I am actually quite disappointed. I thought,
>FBs designers and engineers became
>multimillionaires and billionaires, and they couldn't do better than
>this? You the customer, do get a "poor
>man's webpage", with minimal effort on your part. You get a
>simplistic service matched to personalities
>types that are young and uncomplicated. You can enter, for your
>"about" data, that your hobbies are
>"making electronics", that's as precise as it gets. And I assume,
>maybe the hobby of cat photos, or photos
>of your meals. On the groups, the area for actual posting is
>squeezed down to a portion of the screen. I
>don't get that. I posted some of this comment on the FB page for one
>military radio group, and I expected
>to be flamed for it. Instead, I see a couple comments more or less
>agreeing with me. "It's all we have". I
>also mentioned my opinions to Takashi Doi, who recently started a FB
>group on "Japanese Military Radios",
>and he agrees, and replies, "It's not for us, it's for young
>people". Maybe so.
>
>I don't totally reject FB, though. I think it actually may be useful
>as a recruiting tool. We all want to recruit
>the new generation to our swell hobbies. FB is not ideal, but it's
>out there; it's what they like to use, are
>used to using. FB may get these swell hobbies out there in front of
>their eyes.
>-Hue Miller
>Newport, Oregon
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:52:38 -0500
From: jphutch60bj <jphutch60bj@gmail.com>
To: milsurplus@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Some thoughts about Facebook
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Face plant -? sorry book.
It was a simple means to hookup with another half so to speak. Also eave
comments good or bad about the days activities with new "friend".??? All
this around a 15 second attention span, then next, scrolling with the
thumb....? sipping a beer.... ?-}
my 2 cents
On 9/23/2021 4:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Facebook exists for one reason and one reason only. To get information
> about you and to sell that information to outside 3rd parties. And to
> get that information Facebook will try and do anything to entice you
> to join and stay connected 24/7 or as much as they can. I frequent a
> Computer Nerds website called "slashdot.org". They have, over the many
> years that Facebook has been in existence, highlighted just how
> insidious Facebook has become, the damage it does (here are just two
> stories in the last month:
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/18/0317223/wsj-facebooks-2018-algorithm-change-rewarded-outrage-zuck-resisted-fixes
> and
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/14/1911252/facebooks-own-research-shows-instagram-is-harmful-to-teens-report-says
> ) and just what a piece of cr*p the owner is. If you care about your
> children, just say "no" to Facebook for them. At the very minimum,
> please teach them how to think and not just accept the drivel that
> Facebook presents to them. And in case your wondering, I don't like
> them or any company built on their business model. I think that
> companies like them help drive wedges between people and are part of
> the reason (not all, but part) we have such polarization today.
>
> End of Rant. BTW, Many former Yahoo groups have moved over to
> Groups.io and I can highly recommend it.
>
> 73, Gordon KJ6IKT
>
> At 01:37 PM 9/23/2021, Hubert Miller wrote:
>> I joined Facebook so I could have access to some groups. I joined 5
>> groups focused on military or ham radio.
>> Another thing that pushed me past my reservations was I found a group
>> for aficionados of a particular South
>> American song style. After I joined up, I also did a search and
>> looked at the page of an ex, and I was very
>> pleased to see that things turned out well for her.
>> Anyway, to Facebook. I am actually quite disappointed. I thought, FBs
>> designers and engineers became
>> multimillionaires and billionaires, and they couldn't do better than
>> this? You the customer, do get a "poor
>> man's webpage", with minimal effort on your part. You get a
>> simplistic service matched to personalities
>> types that are young and uncomplicated. You can enter, for your
>> "about" data, that your hobbies are
>> "making electronics", that's as precise as it gets. And I assume,
>> maybe the hobby of cat photos, or photos
>> of your meals. On the groups, the area for actual posting is squeezed
>> down to a portion of the screen. I
>> don't get that. I posted some of this comment on the FB page for one
>> military radio group, and I expected
>> to be flamed for it. Instead, I see a couple comments more or less
>> agreeing with me. "It's all we have".? I
>> also mentioned my opinions to Takashi Doi, who recently started a FB
>> group on "Japanese Military Radios",
>> and he agrees, and replies, "It's not for us, it's for young people".
>> Maybe so.
>>
>> I don't totally reject FB, though. I think it actually may be useful
>> as a recruiting tool. We all want to recruit
>> the new generation to our swell hobbies. FB is not ideal, but it's
>> out there; it's what they like to use, are
>> used to using. FB may get these swell hobbies out there in front? of
>> their eyes.
>> -Hue Miller
>> Newport, Oregon
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