[Milsurplus] Lion Air 737

Mon Dec 31 20:34:59 EST 2018

No, there is not a single switch to disable all automatic flt. controls on any model of the 737.  That would mean disabling mach trim, yaw damper, elevator feel, rudder load limiter, flap load relief, etc.  Worked on them for 45 yrs.  Why these two pilots did not throw the stab. trim cutout switches, and turn the manual trim wheels to control the aircraft is a mystery to me.  I'm no pilot, but a retired airline mechanic.  After reading several articles, particularly one from a guy that knows his stuff in the Seattle paper, I'm scratching my head over this one.

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   1. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (Peter Gottlieb)
   2. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (David Stinson)
   3. OT Lion Air 737 (k2cby at optonline.net)
   4. Re: OT Lion Air 737 (Francesco Ledda)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 00:21:24 -0500
From: Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com>
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Lucky for him the engine would restart every time!?? (hopefully...)

On 12/30/2018 11:40 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
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> On 12/30/2018 20:39, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
>> "Maybe my instructors were more sadistic than yours."
>>
>> Mine had a fuel cutoff switch under his seat and would hit it just after 
>> liftoff, just after the end of the runway, mid-turn, et cetera, to see if you 
>> respond adequately.? Sometimes he would just reach across and kill the magnetos.
>>
>> Kurt
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 08:05:25 -0600
From: "David Stinson" <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
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>From my role model and hero, Montgomery Scott:

     "The more complicated they make the plumbing,

      the easier it is to stop-up the drain." 

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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 10:25:02 -0500
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The Lion Air ground staff was clearly negligent in failing to troubleshoot
the attitude sensor issue after the prior incident.

Boeing was equally negligent in failing to incorporate the second "stall
recovery system" disconnect in its training program and flight manual.

Above all, there should be a single switch to disable all of the automatic
flight control systems and restore the aircraft to manual control. 

Miles B. Anderson, K2CBY
16 Round Pond Lane
Sag Harbor, New York 11963-3821
Phone: (631) 725-4400
FAX: (631) 725-2223

e-mail: k2cby at optimum.net

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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:18:09 -0600
From: Francesco Ledda <frledda at att.net>
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There is a single switch! 

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> On Dec 31, 2018, at 09:25, <k2cby at optonline.net> <k2cby at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> The Lion Air ground staff was clearly negligent in failing to troubleshoot the attitude sensor issue after the prior incident.
> Boeing was equally negligent in failing to incorporate the second ?stall recovery system? disconnect in its training program and flight manual.
> Above all, there should be a single switch to disable all of the automatic flight control systems and restore the aircraft to manual control.
>  
> Miles B. Anderson, K2CBY
> 16 Round Pond Lane
> Sag Harbor, New York 11963-3821
> Phone: (631) 725-4400
> FAX: (631) 725-2223
> e-mail: k2cby at optimum.net
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