[Milsurplus] Fwd: Re: SAAF C-54 Acrobatics

[Bill Carns]

Well, that all sounds good and dramatic, but the fact is that the Herc and
the Orion are stressed and rated for more Positive and Negative Gs than the
C-54.

The fact is ( I am close to the situation) that the Borate planes are
subjected to huge G loads positive and negative as they penetrate fire
weather and turbulence at low altitudes and then release all of the load
almost all at one time..

The accidents - particularly with the Hercs - have come after bad
maintenance, severe abuse and failure to repair small cracks that appear in
the Spar after all this abuse.

The reality is that all of those glamorous looping and immelmann maneuvers
are really benign low G maneuvers that can be done in a 172 if the pilot is
good.

So, don't ask the Forest Service Pilots..  They are busy flying their Hercs
and wishing they had more of them back....well maintained that is.

Bill

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[mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Adams
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 5:08 PM
To: Bruce Gentry; Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Fwd: Re: SAAF C-54 Acrobatics

Try that crap in a C-130 Hercules or a P3 Orion and the wings will come off.
Just ask the pilots of US Forest Service "Borate Bombers".

Way back when, they built 'em GOOD at Douglas!



At 07:30 02-09-13, Bruce Gentry wrote:


>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject:        Re: [Milsurplus] SAAF C-54 Acrobatics
>Date:   Mon, 02 Sep 2013 00:10:40 -0400
>From:   Bruce Gentry <ka2ivy at verizon.net>
>To:     Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>GREAT VIDEO!  I knew a DC-4 had been looped in the 1950s  to get out of 
>a bad situation, but to see it being done at an airshow is awesome.
>They are becoming fairly rare, and finding unleaded fuel that is
>suitable for big radial engines is a serious problem.   In 1967 or 68, a
>DC-6 and a Lockheed Constellation were entered in the Reno Air races, 
>and did better than anyone would have expected. I love the sound of 
>them, but fear these planes may be having their last hurrah, as the 
>people who know how to maintain them and certified to fly them are
>retiring or dying off.     I am very lucky to have traveled in many
>classic propeller airliners with gasoline engines, they were from a 
>time when flying was a treat, enjoyed with style and comfort, rather 
>than the torture of today's jet sardine cans.
>
>     Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
>
>
>
>
>On 9/1/13 7:07 PM, Mark K3MSB wrote:
>>  Enjoy!
>>
>> 
>>http://www.youtube.com/v/hrziTee4b2c&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&
>>version
>>
>>  73
>>  Mark K3MSB
>>
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