[Milsurplus] Blood n Guts

Thu Nov 14 10:33:47 EST 2013

It was not you. It was a comment about seat belts and Patton.

-John

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> de WB2CPN
> What have I stirred up?
> 73  Clete
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> On 11/13/2013 7:55 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>> I believe a big problem is that jobs are moving overseas, partly due
>> to tax laws which favor such action by corporations.  I would think if
>> it's going to be anything, it would be the other way around.
>>
>> China is going gangbusters and they are the strongest current example
>> of centralized control.  I think the jury's still out on Russia.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/13/2013 10:54 AM, J. Forster wrote:
>>> My objection is not to seat belts per se. It is to government
>>> mandating them.
>>>
>>> Seat belts are a good idea. I had and used 3-point ones long before
>>> they
>>> were mandated.
>>>
>>> However, I DO object to to the principle that the 'government knows
>>> best'... the out-of-control nanny state. The government obviously
>>> does not
>>> know what is best for everybody.
>>>
>>> Central planning has been a dismal failure whereever and whenever it
>>> has
>>> been tried. And the planners' excuse is always 'we didn't have enough
>>> control'.
>>>
>>> As the US becomes more socialist and is in decline, China and Russia
>>> are
>>> abandoning a failed system, and are thriving.
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> =====================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> de WB2CPN
>>>> Just before I left the USAF in 1966 the rule was this:
>>>> If you use your personal vehicle at Government expense,
>>>> it had to have seat belts installed.  TDY travel.
>>>> One one occasion I'm sure that seat belts saved my butt.
>>>> In a near collision it kept me in control of the vehicle.
>>>> Another time I helped remove a dead driver from a car
>>>> that was whacked in an accident.  The seat belt was
>>>> neatly folded under the seat.
>>>> Clete
>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2013 10:48 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>> No, but I DO think that the government MANDATING them is. It should
>>>>> be a
>>>>> personal choice. Same for an ever growing myriad of other things.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I like the taste of trans-fat or salt or sugar, it's none of
>>>>> anybodies'
>>>>> business but mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Virtually every government mandate is another assaullt on personal
>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>
>>>>> As the current debacles prove, the government does NOT 'know best'.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMWV,
>>>>>
>>>>> -John
>>>>>
>>>>> ==========
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying seat belts are a bad thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 9:05 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>>> Hardly a surprise because seat belts were not required until more
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> decade after Patton was killed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Progressive bastion of WI as first
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#United_States
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ======================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's
>>>>>>>> car (A
>>>>>>>> Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ********
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That
>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>> might not have even had them installed!  And even these days in
>>>>>>>>> limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really
>>>>>>>>> unlucky.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat
>>>>>>>>>> belt.........
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>>>>>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and
>>>>>>>>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>>>>>>>
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