[Milsurplus] Blood n Guts

[C.Whitaker]

de WB2CPN
What have I stirred up?
73  Clete
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On 11/13/2013 7:55 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
> I believe a big problem is that jobs are moving overseas, partly due 
> to tax laws which favor such action by corporations.  I would think if 
> it's going to be anything, it would be the other way around.
>
> China is going gangbusters and they are the strongest current example 
> of centralized control.  I think the jury's still out on Russia.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/13/2013 10:54 AM, J. Forster wrote:
>> My objection is not to seat belts per se. It is to government 
>> mandating them.
>>
>> Seat belts are a good idea. I had and used 3-point ones long before they
>> were mandated.
>>
>> However, I DO object to to the principle that the 'government knows
>> best'... the out-of-control nanny state. The government obviously 
>> does not
>> know what is best for everybody.
>>
>> Central planning has been a dismal failure whereever and whenever it has
>> been tried. And the planners' excuse is always 'we didn't have enough
>> control'.
>>
>> As the US becomes more socialist and is in decline, China and Russia are
>> abandoning a failed system, and are thriving.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> =====================
>>
>>
>>
>>> de WB2CPN
>>> Just before I left the USAF in 1966 the rule was this:
>>> If you use your personal vehicle at Government expense,
>>> it had to have seat belts installed.  TDY travel.
>>> One one occasion I'm sure that seat belts saved my butt.
>>> In a near collision it kept me in control of the vehicle.
>>> Another time I helped remove a dead driver from a car
>>> that was whacked in an accident.  The seat belt was
>>> neatly folded under the seat.
>>> Clete
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2013 10:48 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>> No, but I DO think that the government MANDATING them is. It should 
>>>> be a
>>>> personal choice. Same for an ever growing myriad of other things.
>>>>
>>>> If I like the taste of trans-fat or salt or sugar, it's none of
>>>> anybodies'
>>>> business but mine.
>>>>
>>>> Virtually every government mandate is another assaullt on personal
>>>> liberty.
>>>>
>>>> As the current debacles prove, the government does NOT 'know best'.
>>>>
>>>> YMWV,
>>>>
>>>> -John
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying seat belts are a bad thing?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/12/2013 9:05 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>> Hardly a surprise because seat belts were not required until more 
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> decade after Patton was killed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Progressive bastion of WI as first
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#United_States
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ======================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's 
>>>>>>> car (A
>>>>>>> Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ********
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That 
>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>> might not have even had them installed!  And even these days in
>>>>>>>> limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really
>>>>>>>> unlucky.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat
>>>>>>>>> belt.........
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>>>>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and
>>>>>>>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%20by%20MD.pdf 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>>>>>>
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