[Milsurplus] Blood n Guts

J. Forster jfor at quikus.com
Wed Nov 13 22:31:52 EST 2013 

Do you really not understand?

Drinking, texting etc while driving endangers OTHERS. That is impermissable.

That is the difference.

-John

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> I'm not even sure how it's possible to text while driving.  Talking on the
> phone
> is alright for many people, but seemingly impossible for others.
>
> Ok, so now we have you calling for more of a nanny state, a government
> which
> you've said can't make the best decisions for people...
>
>
>
> On 11/13/2013 9:59 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>> I have zero tolerance for driving drunk, doped up, talking on cells, and
>> while texting.
>>
>> Those things clearly put OTHERS at risk.
>>
>> First offense and you loose the car for 180 days...   no exceptions.
>> PERIOD.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> =====================
>>
>>
>>> I agree about speed enforcement being unnecessarily aggressive.  It
>>> many
>>> locations it has turned into a revenue source rather than a public
>>> safety
>>> function.  You can read the stories all the time of people getting
>>> ticketed for
>>> even a MPH over the limit (and many of us including me have our own
>>> stories).
>>> That's one side of it.  On the other side how would *you* like to go
>>> clean
>>> up
>>> body parts when someone is half in the bag and loses control and
>>> wrecks?
>>> Cops
>>> and firefighters may seem tough but they are human and it affects you
>>> no
>>> matter
>>> your position.
>>>
>>> So, you want "reasonable?"  How would you define that, exactly?
>>>
>>> One thing that could be done is to outlaw fines for speeding, instead
>>> having
>>> drivers get something like the points against their license, where if
>>> they
>>> get
>>> too many they could get it suspended, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/13/2013 9:40 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>> Sure, so long as it doesn't affect others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why have speed limits?  Or any traffic laws for that matter?
>>>> You answer your own question. Speeding, as in going 100 MPH in a
>>>> residential area DOES affect others.
>>>>
>>>>> So yeah, I agree... if it absolutely affects nobody else, have at it
>>>>> and
>>>>> do what you want.
>>>> But they enforce doiung 35 in a 30 zone even on an empty road, even if
>>>> it
>>>> puts nobody at risk, just because a professional nanny want it that
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> -John
>>>>
>>>> ========================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/13/2013 11:09 AM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>> On non-technical matters, I don't claim to 'know best'. I believe
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> should have the freedom to make up their own minds, not to be
>>>>>> dictated
>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with your assessment, however, on all of the reflectors
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> share, it seems you always are the one that knows "best" and has to
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> last word. Like the saying goes - "a legend in his own mind".
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>>>>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>>>>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>>>>>> 732-886-5960
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of J. Forster
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:54 AM
>>>>>>> To: whitaker at ieee.org
>>>>>>> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My objection is not to seat belts per se. It is to government
>>>>>>> mandating
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seat belts are a good idea. I had and used 3-point ones long before
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> were mandated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I DO object to to the principle that the 'government knows
>>>>>>> best'...
>>>>>>> the out-of-control nanny state. The government obviously does not
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> is best for everybody.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Central planning has been a dismal failure whereever and whenever
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> been tried. And the planners' excuse is always 'we didn't have
>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>> control'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As the US becomes more socialist and is in decline, China and
>>>>>>> Russia
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> abandoning a failed system, and are thriving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =====================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> de WB2CPN
>>>>>>>> Just before I left the USAF in 1966 the rule was this:
>>>>>>>> If you use your personal vehicle at Government expense, it had to
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> seat belts installed.  TDY travel.
>>>>>>>> One one occasion I'm sure that seat belts saved my butt.
>>>>>>>> In a near collision it kept me in control of the vehicle.
>>>>>>>> Another time I helped remove a dead driver from a car that was
>>>>>>>> whacked
>>>>>>>> in an accident.  The seat belt was neatly folded under the seat.
>>>>>>>> Clete
>>>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 10:48 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>>>>> No, but I DO think that the government MANDATING them is. It
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> be a personal choice. Same for an ever growing myriad of other
>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I like the taste of trans-fat or salt or sugar, it's none of
>>>>>>>>> anybodies'
>>>>>>>>> business but mine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Virtually every government mandate is another assaullt on
>>>>>>>>> personal
>>>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As the current debacles prove, the government does NOT 'know
>>>>>>>>> best'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> YMWV,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying seat belts are a bad thing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 9:05 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly a surprise because seat belts were not required until
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> than a decade after Patton was killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Progressive bastion of WI as first
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#United_States
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ======================
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's
>>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>>> (A Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DD
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ********
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> car might not have even had them installed!  And even these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlucky.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belt.........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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