[Milsurplus] OT: Re: USS Stewart vandalized

J. Forster jfor at quikus.com
Sun Feb 3 18:31:23 EST 2013 

IMO, it's not a matter of capability, at least not as yet, but of the
political will to stand up to tyranny, especially in certain countries.

YMMV,

-John

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> A Naval Task Force, with a couple of Battle-Wagons loaded with Tomahawks,
> a couple of Flat-Tops and a full complement of Cruisers and Destroyers
> would be a formidable force. I say, paint them White and turn them loose
> !!
>
> Of course, toss in a couple of "Boomers" just to add a little "punch" to
> the Fleet.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>> No thank you. I don't want 'a big stick' being waved around. Not telling
>> who or what it will hit.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> =============
>>
>>
>>
>>> What this country needs is a President in the mold of Teddy Roosevelt
>>> !!
>>>
>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>> I fully expect the NEXT 'red line' is going to be 1 MegaTon.
>>>>
>>>> -John
>>>>
>>>> ================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, with Iran it seems we're going to find out sooner
>>>>> rather
>>>>> than later.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/3/2013 3:31 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>> Well, there's the rub as Shakespear said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am unconvinced, as is Iran apparently, that the US would take any
>>>>>> meaningful action, other than moving the goal posts, if a red line
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> crossed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YMMV a lot,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of these countries, like Iran and China, that think they can
>>>>>>> tweak
>>>>>>> Uncle Sam's nose, had best think carefully before they decide to do
>>>>>>> something terrible, like send over a nuke or crash our power grid
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> a computer virus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are still 50 Peacekeeper Missiles, each with 10 RV's that can
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> back on line easily. That's 500 750 KT warheads. If Nuclear
>>>>>>> Warheads
>>>>>>> are not your cup of tea, they can easily be replaced with
>>>>>>> conventional
>>>>>>> warheads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, that assumes we have a Government with the stones to use
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> There is scant evidence that what you say is true.  Speak to
>>>>>>>>> historians
>>>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>>>> will tell you that many things are actually better now than they
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>>>> History is written by the victors, which really means it is biased
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> those currently in power. I don't trust historians to separate
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> political biases from their work. There are accepted things about
>>>>>>>> WW
>>>>>>>> II
>>>>>>>> history that are just not true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You say that these kids do not know the difference between good
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> bad?
>>>>>>>>> But what about the numerous stories of group members who did
>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> bad and were
>>>>>>>>> punished in an appropriate way and learned? Maybe these kids
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> like that before, maybe alcohol was involved (like the drunken
>>>>>>>>> sailors).
>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't be so quick to condemn society with such little
>>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>> Damaging drywall in one's own house is petty compared to trashing
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> people's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is certainly as much booze, far more drugs, and a lot more
>>>>>>>> trashing
>>>>>>>> of places than even 20 years ago. This is partly as a result of
>>>>>>>> larger,
>>>>>>>> and hence more destructive, 'flash mobs', due to social media.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not excusing what they did but rather just saying that there
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> little that can be
>>>>>>>>> concluded about the greater state of affairs from this one
>>>>>>>>> incident.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps so, but the frequency of such incidents is growing due to
>>>>>>>> copycats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Social unrest?  What, right now?  What about the protests of the
>>>>>>>>> 60's?
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> Vietnam war protests, the civil rights marches?  I don't see
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> matches those times!  The US will not go out like Rome, it will
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>> (and strong) for a very long time.
>>>>>>>> And if Iran puts an atomic weapon in a cargo container and ships
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> NYC?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very few say that military force is in general bad.  A massive
>>>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>>>> recognize the need for a competent, professional, strong
>>>>>>>>> military.
>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>> you will
>>>>>>>>> see legitimate debate about how that military should be used, how
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>> spent on it, and how to deal with the massive inefficiencies in
>>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> are occurring.   And what's this about "having a gun is bad?"  Or
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> topic taboo to even bring up?  Every freedom has limits and
>>>>>>>>> responsibilities!
>>>>>>>>> Just like having a car.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That ship is a museum, and yes, a lot of people really do care.
>>>>>>>>> Like
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> museums, it may need a decent alarm system though.
>>>>>>>> Probably so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You want to talk about preservation?  It is the military itself
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> destroying almost all electronics gear rather than allowing it to
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>> surplus market.  Look at MARS even... used to be that interesting
>>>>>>>>> gear
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> given out for experimentation and modification, attracting a lot
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> bright
>>>>>>>>> minds. Now, despite those regulations still saying stuff is given
>>>>>>>>> out,
>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>> really is anymore.  They won't even give out small gensets to
>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>> stations to
>>>>>>>>> operate during power outages!  I've tried going to my
>>>>>>>>> representatives
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> all listen and are sympathetic but it will take more than a lone
>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>> there to make anything happen.
>>>>>>>> WW II Mil gear could easily be re-purposed to other uses, partly
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> is was far less complex and specialized than today, and partly
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> used construction techniques that were readily accessible. Not any
>>>>>>>> more,
>>>>>>>> because so much is in silicon or SW. There is also far less being
>>>>>>>> produced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Compare the quantities of modern radios built to WW II
>>>>>>>> quantities...
>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> 100 maybe?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As to the punks, I think they should be sentenced to clean up and
>>>>>>>> restore
>>>>>>>> everything they damaged, with sentence to run until that cleanup
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> finished. No parole.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> YMMV,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To use your words, "does anyone give a damn" anymore?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>
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