[Milsurplus] OT: Re: USS Stewart vandalized

Richard Solomon dickw1ksz at gmail.com
Sun Feb 3 18:11:34 EST 2013 

A Naval Task Force, with a couple of Battle-Wagons loaded with Tomahawks,
a couple of Flat-Tops and a full complement of Cruisers and Destroyers
would be a formidable force. I say, paint them White and turn them loose !!

Of course, toss in a couple of "Boomers" just to add a little "punch" to
the Fleet.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
> No thank you. I don't want 'a big stick' being waved around. Not telling
> who or what it will hit.
>
> -John
>
> =============
>
>
>
>> What this country needs is a President in the mold of Teddy Roosevelt !!
>>
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>> I fully expect the NEXT 'red line' is going to be 1 MegaTon.
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> ================
>>>
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, with Iran it seems we're going to find out sooner rather
>>>> than later.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On 2/3/2013 3:31 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>> Well, there's the rub as Shakespear said.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am unconvinced, as is Iran apparently, that the US would take any
>>>>> meaningful action, other than moving the goal posts, if a red line
>>>>> were
>>>>> crossed.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMMV a lot,
>>>>>
>>>>> -John
>>>>>
>>>>> =================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of these countries, like Iran and China, that think they can
>>>>>> tweak
>>>>>> Uncle Sam's nose, had best think carefully before they decide to do
>>>>>> something terrible, like send over a nuke or crash our power grid
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> a computer virus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are still 50 Peacekeeper Missiles, each with 10 RV's that can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> back on line easily. That's 500 750 KT warheads. If Nuclear Warheads
>>>>>> are not your cup of tea, they can easily be replaced with
>>>>>> conventional
>>>>>> warheads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, that assumes we have a Government with the stones to use
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> There is scant evidence that what you say is true.  Speak to
>>>>>>>> historians
>>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>>> will tell you that many things are actually better now than they
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>>> History is written by the victors, which really means it is biased
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> those currently in power. I don't trust historians to separate their
>>>>>>> political biases from their work. There are accepted things about WW
>>>>>>> II
>>>>>>> history that are just not true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You say that these kids do not know the difference between good and
>>>>>>>> bad?
>>>>>>>> But what about the numerous stories of group members who did
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> bad and were
>>>>>>>> punished in an appropriate way and learned? Maybe these kids didn't
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> like that before, maybe alcohol was involved (like the drunken
>>>>>>>> sailors).
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't be so quick to condemn society with such little
>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>> Damaging drywall in one's own house is petty compared to trashing
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> people's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is certainly as much booze, far more drugs, and a lot more
>>>>>>> trashing
>>>>>>> of places than even 20 years ago. This is partly as a result of
>>>>>>> larger,
>>>>>>> and hence more destructive, 'flash mobs', due to social media.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not excusing what they did but rather just saying that there is
>>>>>>>> little that can be
>>>>>>>> concluded about the greater state of affairs from this one
>>>>>>>> incident.
>>>>>>> Perhaps so, but the frequency of such incidents is growing due to
>>>>>>> copycats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Social unrest?  What, right now?  What about the protests of the
>>>>>>>> 60's?
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> Vietnam war protests, the civil rights marches?  I don't see
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> matches those times!  The US will not go out like Rome, it will be
>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>> (and strong) for a very long time.
>>>>>>> And if Iran puts an atomic weapon in a cargo container and ships it
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> NYC?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very few say that military force is in general bad.  A massive
>>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>>> recognize the need for a competent, professional, strong military.
>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>> you will
>>>>>>>> see legitimate debate about how that military should be used, how
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>> spent on it, and how to deal with the massive inefficiencies in
>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> are occurring.   And what's this about "having a gun is bad?"  Or
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> topic taboo to even bring up?  Every freedom has limits and
>>>>>>>> responsibilities!
>>>>>>>> Just like having a car.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That ship is a museum, and yes, a lot of people really do care.
>>>>>>>> Like
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> museums, it may need a decent alarm system though.
>>>>>>> Probably so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You want to talk about preservation?  It is the military itself
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> destroying almost all electronics gear rather than allowing it to
>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>> surplus market.  Look at MARS even... used to be that interesting
>>>>>>>> gear
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> given out for experimentation and modification, attracting a lot of
>>>>>>>> bright
>>>>>>>> minds. Now, despite those regulations still saying stuff is given
>>>>>>>> out,
>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>> really is anymore.  They won't even give out small gensets to allow
>>>>>>>> stations to
>>>>>>>> operate during power outages!  I've tried going to my
>>>>>>>> representatives
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> all listen and are sympathetic but it will take more than a lone
>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>> there to make anything happen.
>>>>>>> WW II Mil gear could easily be re-purposed to other uses, partly
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> is was far less complex and specialized than today, and partly
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> used construction techniques that were readily accessible. Not any
>>>>>>> more,
>>>>>>> because so much is in silicon or SW. There is also far less being
>>>>>>> produced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compare the quantities of modern radios built to WW II quantities...
>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> 100 maybe?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to the punks, I think they should be sentenced to clean up and
>>>>>>> restore
>>>>>>> everything they damaged, with sentence to run until that cleanup is
>>>>>>> finished. No parole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YMMV,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To use your words, "does anyone give a damn" anymore?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> Milsurplus mailing list
>>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
>>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>>>>> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>>> Milsurplus mailing list
>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>>>> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> Milsurplus mailing list
>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>>> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>
>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> No virus found in this message.
>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>>> Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5578 - Release Date:
>>>>> 02/03/13
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Milsurplus mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>>
>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Milsurplus mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Milsurplus mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>
>>
>
>

More information about the Milsurplus mailing list