[Milsurplus] OT: Re: USS Stewart vandalized

Sun Feb 3 17:54:53 EST 2013

What this country needs is a President in the mold of Teddy Roosevelt !!

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
> I fully expect the NEXT 'red line' is going to be 1 MegaTon.
>
> -John
>
> ================
>
>
>> Unfortunately, with Iran it seems we're going to find out sooner rather
>> than later.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 2/3/2013 3:31 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>> Well, there's the rub as Shakespear said.
>>>
>>> I am unconvinced, as is Iran apparently, that the US would take any
>>> meaningful action, other than moving the goal posts, if a red line were
>>> crossed.
>>>
>>> YMMV a lot,
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> =================
>>>
>>>
>>>> Some of these countries, like Iran and China, that think they can tweak
>>>> Uncle Sam's nose, had best think carefully before they decide to do
>>>> something terrible, like send over a nuke or crash our power grid
>>>> through
>>>> a computer virus.
>>>>
>>>> There are still 50 Peacekeeper Missiles, each with 10 RV's that can be
>>>> back on line easily. That's 500 750 KT warheads. If Nuclear Warheads
>>>> are not your cup of tea, they can easily be replaced with conventional
>>>> warheads.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, that assumes we have a Government with the stones to use
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>>>> There is scant evidence that what you say is true.  Speak to
>>>>>> historians
>>>>>> and they
>>>>>> will tell you that many things are actually better now than they were
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the past.
>>>>> History is written by the victors, which really means it is biased to
>>>>> those currently in power. I don't trust historians to separate their
>>>>> political biases from their work. There are accepted things about WW
>>>>> II
>>>>> history that are just not true.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You say that these kids do not know the difference between good and
>>>>>> bad?
>>>>>> But what about the numerous stories of group members who did
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> bad and were
>>>>>> punished in an appropriate way and learned? Maybe these kids didn't
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> like that before, maybe alcohol was involved (like the drunken
>>>>>> sailors).
>>>>>> I wouldn't be so quick to condemn society with such little evidence.
>>>>> Damaging drywall in one's own house is petty compared to trashing
>>>>> other
>>>>> people's.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is certainly as much booze, far more drugs, and a lot more
>>>>> trashing
>>>>> of places than even 20 years ago. This is partly as a result of
>>>>> larger,
>>>>> and hence more destructive, 'flash mobs', due to social media.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not excusing what they did but rather just saying that there is
>>>>>> little that can be
>>>>>> concluded about the greater state of affairs from this one incident.
>>>>> Perhaps so, but the frequency of such incidents is growing due to
>>>>> copycats.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Social unrest?  What, right now?  What about the protests of the
>>>>>> 60's?
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> Vietnam war protests, the civil rights marches?  I don't see anything
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> matches those times!  The US will not go out like Rome, it will be
>>>>>> around
>>>>>> (and strong) for a very long time.
>>>>> And if Iran puts an atomic weapon in a cargo container and ships it
>>>>> into
>>>>> NYC?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very few say that military force is in general bad.  A massive
>>>>>> majority
>>>>>> recognize the need for a competent, professional, strong military.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> you will
>>>>>> see legitimate debate about how that military should be used, how
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> should be
>>>>>> spent on it, and how to deal with the massive inefficiencies in
>>>>>> spending
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> are occurring.   And what's this about "having a gun is bad?"  Or is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> topic taboo to even bring up?  Every freedom has limits and
>>>>>> responsibilities!
>>>>>> Just like having a car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That ship is a museum, and yes, a lot of people really do care. Like
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> museums, it may need a decent alarm system though.
>>>>> Probably so.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You want to talk about preservation?  It is the military itself which
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> destroying almost all electronics gear rather than allowing it to go
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>> surplus market.  Look at MARS even... used to be that interesting
>>>>>> gear
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> given out for experimentation and modification, attracting a lot of
>>>>>> bright
>>>>>> minds. Now, despite those regulations still saying stuff is given
>>>>>> out,
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>> really is anymore.  They won't even give out small gensets to allow
>>>>>> stations to
>>>>>> operate during power outages!  I've tried going to my representatives
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> all listen and are sympathetic but it will take more than a lone
>>>>>> voice
>>>>>> here and
>>>>>> there to make anything happen.
>>>>> WW II Mil gear could easily be re-purposed to other uses, partly
>>>>> because
>>>>> is was far less complex and specialized than today, and partly because
>>>>> it
>>>>> used construction techniques that were readily accessible. Not any
>>>>> more,
>>>>> because so much is in silicon or SW. There is also far less being
>>>>> produced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Compare the quantities of modern radios built to WW II quantities...
>>>>> 1
>>>>> to
>>>>> 100 maybe?
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the punks, I think they should be sentenced to clean up and
>>>>> restore
>>>>> everything they damaged, with sentence to run until that cleanup is
>>>>> finished. No parole.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMMV,
>>>>>
>>>>> -John
>>>>> ================
>>>>>
>>>>>> To use your words, "does anyone give a damn" anymore?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
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